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post #611 of 3149 Old 07-18-2012, 01:44 AM
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gypsy, I started learning riding bitless as such, in a barn where beginners were not let to use bits. I did some research and came to a conclusion that it fits me, because I thought I'm not ready for riding a horse in a bit and for some time I also thought that bits are cruel - I've dropped that opinion since then, but I have no real experience riding with a bit, and I know and see a lot of experienced riders riding bitless with good results. Also, my horse had teeth problems up to very recent, so he showed great discomfort if I put a bit in his mouth, thus I'm now re-introducing him to the bit after a good floating.

About hackamores (I saw a question from somebody here about using them) - I ride either in a rope halter, either in a soft sidepull. I don't feel my horse needs the leverage, so I don't use a hackamore, but most of my barnmates use simple English hackamores and LG bridles. The rope halter is nice, but I find easier to learn proper contact and use of outer rein with a sidepull. But in trails I use my rope halter or sometimes just a cordeo, no headstall at all, and I haven't had any problems when encountering deer and moose - Snickers is quite a bold one when it comes to scary things. He'd rather investigate them than run from them.

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post #612 of 3149 Old 07-18-2012, 07:52 AM
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I encountered a black bear once on my old gelding, he froze in place and it was like 200 yards away from us. It took almost a half hour to get him to realize it was gone and we could continue with our ride, we had to go the long way because he would not cross where the bear did. It was neat. As for deer, if my gelding smelled them or they jumped onto the path, he would chase them.....it was an interesting ride when the deer were on the move. I've also encountered a few coyotes and a bobcat, but they just run away when the horses snort or paw the ground from waiting.

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Ha, I hate seeing buffalo. Actually, I hate them charging my horse. I loved seeing elk. The only way to see elk is on horseback in my book. You can get so close without them getting ruffled. Now I live where is just rabbits, black bear and deer. I actually saw a deer this morning on Mr. Vacation. It bounced out of the wood and he watched it go. I swear I could almost see his thought bubble "well, look at that, that's different". I had to laugh at him he was so interested in just watching it go and then he marched on. I happy because usually I hate seeing deer on horses. They are so flighty that they wait until you have walked past and then burst out. I have had more near bad wrecks because of deer then due to any other kind of wildlife.

I am interested in bitless when did you know your horse was ready?
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post #614 of 3149 Old 07-18-2012, 08:26 AM
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Didn't have to know - his training was started bitless, and has been like that for all of his life. I'm re-introducing him to the bit just now, at the glorious age of 6. He was first introduced to it at 5, but the person who did it just see-sawed him and gave him a very bad first impression, so I have to do it all over again now.

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I recently read that German and French dressage manuals from the 18th century recommended starting the young horse in a cavesson and then only introducing the bit when the horse was sufficiently well-educated. Their view was that sh*t happens and sometimes you do have to pull on a young horse, but by riding them in the cavesson, you preserved the softness of the mouth.

Who knows when I will have another opportunity to start a youngster, but when I do, I think I'll be bringing this tradition back. It's a brilliant idea.
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post #616 of 3149 Old 07-18-2012, 09:47 AM
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If I could start a youngster I would definitely start bitless. Unfortunately I started my girl as a 19 year old and she did not like the bitless option.

A little off topic, but today is just one of those days that make me want to scream and hibernate. Seriously the stupidity of people these days... ugh, coffee may help.
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Who is making you scream, poppy - what did they do?

The lady, who is helping me to introduce bit to Snickers, says that he is very soft in the mouth, and understands everything quickly. But we're still doing everything from the ground for now, and I'm working on showing him how to accept pressure in his mouth. It might have to do something with the fact that he already knows well different types of pressure and how to yield to them, and he has become more mature in his mind over the last few years. If I come to have another youngster, I will definitely start him in a bitless bridle, too.

On a side note - got my homemade sidepull from the shoemakers' today! Going to try it out tomorrow, woo! :)

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Oh pictures please.

Oh just people at work and in general. Don't get me wrong, I love my work but sometimes the things other people decide to do is just like
No matter what you tell people, when they just decide they are going to do it their way, even though it's not the right way...

I suppose in the next month or so I should get started working with Lizzy on her hack. In winter here it gets much to cold for a bit and with no indoor if I want to ride all winter, using bitless is a must.
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I think today I'll ride with two leads clipped to the halter. Haven't done it in a while.
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post #620 of 3149 Old 07-18-2012, 11:06 AM
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I've heard that there is a kind of bits (a very expensive, though) that are resistant to cold and never get like that even in winter. But I don't know the exact brand.

I'll get some pictures if my barnmate who has a camera will visit her horse tomorrow evening, too. :) If not, then in the weekend.

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