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        06-24-2013, 11:12 PM
      #10891
    Yearling
    Nicker, I spent an hour last night reading VERY interesting articles and decided not to send them to you, for fear of long posts and how you might take all that unsolicited advice. But, bottom line, the DVM/chiro/farrier research is showing that what is thought to be navicular syndrome (of course without x-rays proving it) are sometimes deep thrush that is not obvious until the farrier gets to digging in the sulci/grooves of the hoof. Once that is cleared up and the hoof angles are corrected, there has been great success with "curing the navicular" because, of course, it wasn't really navicular. The hard part is finding a great farrier who understands how to properly trim for this and how to treat really deep thrush. Here's one of the web sites that I found fascinating - Healthy Hoof - Solutions for Barefoot Performance. There's lots of clinical information in the first few paragraphs which is intended for farriers or vets, but after that the pictures and explanations are worth 1000 words. Here's a quote from the article that I think you will like (BTW, "Pete" is Pete Ramey, a well-known barefoot trim guru, who has concocted a thrus treatment that's referred to in the article):

    "I now (Fall, 2008) have more than 30 horses that have been seen by qualified vets and at vet facilities who were diagnosed with "navicular syndrome" or an unspecified lameness, including several horses that have been lame for years, who were "cured" by a good barefoot trim followed by treatment for Thrush using Oxine, Usnea, Pete's Goo triple antibiotic, Dawn dish detergent, Lysol or White Lightning. See the Thrush Treatments page here for more info.
    In many cases, thrush is misdiagnosed as Navicular."

    Critter, the hay wrap would make a great spiderweb at Halloween! That was kind of cool. I hope she wasn't wearing her spurs; can you imagine being tangled up in that with spurs on? LOL

    TJ, you did very well with the stalls and horse safety. It's always safer to move them out just in case they would be startled and over-react, but it sounds like you read Black Beauty perfectly on your own, and took the appropriate action! I leave mine in the stalls while cleaning (we rarely have them inside) but as I move around the stall to the various piles, I ask the horse to move with me so that they are facing me or I'm standing at the shoulder. They are very tolerant and act like they're amused by the whole thing. They aren't usually eating, though; I worry that a horse with its head buried in a feed bucket can't see and is more easily startled. So, Yay, you!
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        06-25-2013, 12:30 AM
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    Thanks Lori. I always pay attention to the feed-back. Did I do right w/BlackBeauty? Learning to be around the horses is a big part of my learning curve.
    Every thing is going well for you and as for being to old for the 40 plus I'm 40 plus and enjoy being around those older than me.
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        06-25-2013, 12:32 AM
      #10893
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    Nicker, with hoof issues, I leave it to my farrier over my vet - but in this case, you need xrays to know. Can the farrier meet with the vet to discuss?

    Either way, you caught it early, and that's great.

    Kid 1 made the All-Star team in his league. As he's only 15, he's on the Jr team, but the Sr team captain talked to us a while ago, and said Kid 1 was the kid who got away, and he needs to make the All-Star team so he can get him next year. Kid 1 is the youngest on his team, and I am biased, but he's the best, by a mile. He really is.

    Sadly he won't be here next year, to be on the Sr team, but he will be on a team somewhere.

    On Weds, he will be playing the Reading Phillies stadium, we go there once a week to watch them - so it's wonderful for him to play there. So proud.
         
        06-25-2013, 12:32 AM
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    you can pay for the medical bills mister smarty pants :P
    Nah kids bounce
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        06-25-2013, 06:55 AM
      #10895
    Green Broke
    Got really good news from the vet last night. She looked at Trusty's wound real good and before she gave me her recommendation she asked me about Boo's injury. I showed her the before pictures and then let her check Boo out for the now results. She was completely amazed that there was hair growing where that hole was and that he is as sound as he is. She said if I do the same thing with Trusty then she wouldn't waste our money on stitches or staples that will likely pull out due to the way the cut is shaped like an arrow head. If it were a straighter cut then she would push for the stitch/staple.

    I told her I am waiting on the Underwood's to get here Friday and was using Corona on it til then. She said she will be back middle of next week to do a follow up check to see how much improvement is made. She feels like he will make a full recovery and be riding again in no time.



    NM71, I'm hoping and praying it turns out to just be deep thrush and can be treated to give you a completely sound mount. I have almost no knowledge of navicular, but have seen thrush in both Trusty and Doc. I treat the beginning stages with "The Goo" which a 50/50 mix of triple antibiotic and athlete's foot cream packed with cotton balls after washing each hoof with Dawn. After 2 weeks of that then I go to picking everyday and soaking the hoofs with amber colored Listerine. Has worked very well so far for me on these two horses. I've also gotten into the habit of soaking all of the horses with the Listerine as I finish picking them.
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        06-25-2013, 11:21 AM
      #10896
    Yearling
    I'm thinking the thrush has been there a while by the reaction of my farrier....he was like wow! He suggested a copper sulfate mix...something like that anyway. He has an old scar on his back heel that it appears the thrush has moved into....

    As for X-rays...I've done a little reading on getting them done to look for navicular, but they don't always show what we need to see.....so I'm not sure about that..also, if I keep all these vet bills up, my DH is going to start possibly get irritated ! I'm going to,sit on that for a bit.

    I think I said it in my last post, I'm going to see how he reacts to getting a new trimming. We go in a couple weeks. Hoping like all of you said, it is just poor feet, and not navicular. The farrier was saying that navicular is often caused by man...meaning letting the toe grow too long, then shortening it...then growing long, allowing the process all over again. Moving that navicular bone and stretching the tendons back and forth too much causes the pain, which is essentially arthritis. And thus, the nav bone starts to move.... That was not eloquently stated, but you get what I mean I think.

    He also mentioned how he reads navicular is that the frog isn't growing, or grows very slowly...and that is the heart of a healthy hoof. But again, we will see.

    I think I will chat with my snobby horse friend (hahah) and see if she thinks I should have another vet or farrier look at him...as she's used different ones in the area...but she does use my farrier. She might know someone who is better at this tho...

    LT, I would totally love anything you found. I'm a researchaholic myself...so I'm going to be searching too. So any input is helpful. I'll read it and decide what,is best for our situation.

    Thanks everyone for the prayers and words of advice. We will get thru this and figure out what is going on....

    I did ride a bit this morning. Not as long as I would have liked, the flies were terrible! JayJay rode sound. I also notice he is starting to bond with me. When I pull in the driveway, he now comes to the barn, and if I'm standing by the fence, he comes up to check things out. Also, I decided to try leading him from his paddock to his stall wo a halter. He walks right beside me, and won't walk into his stall unless I step in first!!! . .he certainly has stolen my heart! sweet, sweet boy!

    Have a great day!!
         
        06-25-2013, 11:39 AM
      #10897
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    Wanna loan me a inch or 2 lol

    I found a pair of wranglers there last week for $20 they were clearensed from $55!!
    I don't like that mine it is in Omaha and I really don't like to drive into town. I wish they would put one on the edge of town so I don't have to drive in to the middle.

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    Yeah, I love TS! Ours is only a mile away!!

    My DH found me some great jeans there too! Cheap...and LONG! I have a long inseam, so it's hard to find decent riding jeans.

    TJ, keep it here, and keep doing what you're doing! I have family in the Grn. Mtn. Falls area. Nice part of the country. I got to ride through the Garden of the Gods when we visited!,
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        06-25-2013, 11:45 AM
      #10898
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    Cody is a PIG. He poops everywhere stall, turn out, Even Water!. He's a Brat lol

    Doc poops in one corner of his turn out and pees in another.

    We have 3 horses including Codyat the ranch that poo in water. That is such a pain !
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    Funny, I think Rainn thinks her stall is a litter,pan! . She is free to come and go from stall to pasture. By the looks of her stall in the morning, she comes in at night to poo, stir it around a bit, and then leave....

    My sassy pants would only go in the back of,the stall, made it easy to clean.

    Jay Jay keeps,his place rather clean.

    Funny how each horse is different even in how,they keep their stalls!
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        06-25-2013, 11:45 AM
      #10899
    Yearling
    Why dawn dish washing soaP? I have dial antibacterial soap I,use to bath Rainn...do,you all think that would suffice? I'm guessing its the whole antibacterial thing?
         
        06-25-2013, 11:51 AM
      #10900
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    Nicker o sorry about JJ . I love KV vet. It is here close to me!!! Hubby will go pick stuff up all the time for me :P
         

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