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        07-03-2013, 12:03 PM
      #11191
    Trained
    I'm glad Jay Jay decided to behave. I leased an appendix registered quarter horse that was a wonderful dressage horse for about a year. He was 16.3 and even with a mounting block, he really needed to hold still while I mounted. His owner told me to keep sugar cubes in my pocket. I would show him one before I mounted and he would stand like a statue. Then he would reach back and get his sugar. Without treats, he wiggled.

    How are Jay Jay's feet?
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        07-03-2013, 03:35 PM
      #11192
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    Originally Posted by Celeste    
    I'm glad Jay Jay decided to behave. I leased an appendix registered quarter horse that was a wonderful dressage horse for about a year. He was 16.3 and even with a mounting block, he really needed to hold still while I mounted. His owner told me to keep sugar cubes in my pocket. I would show him one before I mounted and he would stand like a statue. Then he would reach back and get his sugar. Without treats, he wiggled.

    How are Jay Jay's feet?

    Well in the absence of, i'm going to jump right on in and do an Alex. No No No Sugar is not a natural food for a horse and a bad habbit. It may work with kids but a horse heavens above.

    Now I'v finished with the Alex impersonation to which I expect she will have a read and respond in kind.

    I don't think giving the horse a treat of sugar because it has done what was asked is a good thing. I think a scratch on the cheek and kind words work just as well. I once gave Savannah treats for doing what was asked and for just being. I would walk out to the paddock just to give her a treat untill one day I did not have a treat for her and she chucked a paddy and tried to bite me which I responded with a fist in her nose.

    Now that was not fare to the horse as I had taught her to expect a treat, and her responce was normal when it was not forthcoming. I continued to give treats but on the ground so the association with my hand or pocket was broken.

    If my horse was taught by being given treats then I would ween him off that by a sugar treat one time then the next a scratch and kind words untill the kind words were all that was required. Not knocking any one really but I do see it as a safety measure. Imagine the horse trying to poke its head into ones pocket. Cute untill it bites. Also, who wants to be on the back of a 1400 pound horse having a sugar rush

    Now I know this works as Roslyn used that method on me when courting. I would get the odd treat for getting it right but as the years went by I have been weened of the treats and the scratch behind the ear and am **** lucky to get a kind word. that's marriage
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        07-03-2013, 03:47 PM
      #11193
    Trained
    Sugar is to a horse like Jack Daniels is to a man.
         
        07-03-2013, 04:29 PM
      #11194
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    Originally Posted by Celeste    
    Sugar is to a horse like Jack Daniels is to a man.

    Yes, and both can lead to bad behavour not to mention habbit forming. I personaly don't have a problem with Jack as I spill most of it down the front of my shirt. But the rocks. Now that can cool one down real quick when it enters the shirt, and the melt heading south.
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        07-03-2013, 04:42 PM
      #11195
    Yearling
    Hahaha. Celeste, I guess what you re saying is it could made them mean...or butter in your hands....

    I do what you are mentioning Stan. I have sugar FREE treats in my pocket. apple flavored, My horses never know when they are going to get one. But for this training purpose, I wanted strong reinforcement to get him to stand. Just like when training a dog, at the beginning when they do TRY, I reward with a treat and a rub. They the treats become intermittent, but the good boy and rub stays constant. It works with my dog....it works with my students as well.. ok, I don't pat my students...Stan, that's just wrong! I do give an exuberant YEAH, that's it!! And a high five.

    Yes, many people believe this treat idea is wrong, but my guys don't nibble or bite....they will sniff to see if something is in my hand, but bc it's inconsistent, they are OK with it. They wait for the rub or walk away.

    So..it worked today, we will see what tomorrow brings...

    Celeste thanks for asking about JayJay's feet. I am seeing heels and frogs beginning to shed...and from what I have read, that is what I want. The healthy stuff is pushing to the top. This makes me excited bc the farrier was saying his frogs were shrunken, and that to him is a sign of navicular....but..I believe this could be due to the thrush!! I've started treating twice a day. It said you could for bad cases. Those back feet are the worst. He rides sound. Even at a gallop....I HAD to try! Lol. But just a short distance...it does something nasty to my back.

    I'm going to print some stuff off I found for my farrier to read. He's Amish, so he doesn't have the access of information as we do....he goes to conferences and stuff, but he welcomed the info.

    Hot,hot,and muggy here. Got the grocery shopping complete. Of course I saw several people I knew.....the good and bad of a small town.

    Hope you are all well....quiet here lately!
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        07-03-2013, 04:53 PM
      #11196
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    Taking a day off work I had a very minor medical procedure yesterday they took a lump of skin of my head. Now that in its self is no big deal, but when stiching up the hole it felt like they had lifted my ears up half an inch. I did mention they could tighten the wrinkles. My doctor, a Lady, and I use the discription lightly, passed a comment on wrinkles that I can not publish. She said I would have a surprised look on my face and spent the next couple of minutes chortling to her self. I surpose if they tightened the skin on the back of my head it would have had the effect of lifting my arse back up to its rightfull position on the base of my back bone. However my head is sore and still bleeding a little so that was all the excuse I needed to take the day off.

    Monty Roberts has a training session on hooking on. Bugs did it automatically but I am not sure what it was I did to get that from Him. When I brought Bugs on his very first day with me we were at a trek. I took him around on a lead and got him used to all the other horses and to doing what I asked and I now wonder if that impressed upon him I was the leader Hense his attitude now. But then he is a male, and they are so easy to get along with. (Little shot.)

    Where i'm going with this is Stella. If I can find a way to get her to hook on then a large amount of her attitude will go. So today its spend money on one of Monty Roberts courses and try and learn somthing new.

    There is a down side. I will still have to sell Stella. Or will I, don't you just hate horse ownership. Having them outside the window is a pain. One gets to see and experience all the interaction on a daily basis as opposed to keeping them at stables/barn where contact is every few days. I think its called hooking on. We get attached to the horse.

    Well I'm not going to get any sympathy from SWMBO for my pain today, the sheep got into her garden this morning. However I can turn it to my advantage and respond to her request for me to make a cup of coffee. No dear I have a head ache

    Cheers all.
         
        07-03-2013, 04:57 PM
      #11197
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    Hey all
    KNicker Sounds Like your Doing Great with JJ

    Stan I am calling you a Jack abuser your Cut off No more jack for you

    Hubby was at Fair with his kids yesterday and they all did Great. Lots of Ribbons. They show Dogs and Horses. I have not uploaded pictures. Sorry

    We have been Haying like mad. Looks like we will have about 2400 bales. Twice what normally comes out of it

    Here are a couple pictures....



    The BO's coming back from taking the food to the guy running the tractor
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        07-03-2013, 05:04 PM
      #11198
    Trained
    Stan, sorry that your head hurts. You should eat a sugar cube. One won't hurt. Or to be on the safe side, maybe a shot of Jack?
         
        07-03-2013, 05:06 PM
      #11199
    Green Broke
    A barn full of lovely hay is a sight to warm the heart of a horseman. Will this be enough to sustain you till next season? Is some of it for sale? Sure looks like a nice crop.
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        07-03-2013, 05:54 PM
      #11200
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    Stan I hope you feel better soon CA it I hope will last till next summer we shall see. I think there is about 2400 to 2700 there I should find out tonight. There will be 2 barns full of it. Hope everyone has a great 4th of July I'm not sure I'll be on or not. My family is gon camping but I am helping the horse rescue tomorrow in the parade Hope to get some pictures of some Really cute ponies and a mini Donkey,
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