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        08-04-2013, 09:44 AM
      #12101
    Weanling
    I wonder about this whole affection thing.(I might P someone off)

    I like AlexS statement about the horse comes to me and drops his head.
    I think this horse knows the pecking order and at that time AlexS was leader.

    Then there is the time when the horse comes to you to test the pecking order.
    This could be in the form of nudging, nipping your clothes, biting, etc...
    When this occurs I will usually pinch their nostril and they stop or back up one step.
    I feel that I just established the order by my reaction and they yielded.

    Celeste's last post made some key points about relationship.

    I have even seen my horses grooming one another I will call it.
    This may go on with nibbles on their neck or near their mane.
    After 15 minutes it may end with a nip and one moves off.
    Was this grooming or a casual test of the order?

    "while you ride so that the two of you work like one spirit"
    Celeste pointed out a handler/animal relationship quite well.

    I don't so much agree with all these huggy kisses stories about one's horse.
    My daughter is thirteen, we have taught her to ride, she has felt a little pain
    Though never really been injured other than pride.
    I am happy to say she does not look for affection from them like a dog.

    Stepping down from soapbox.
         
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        08-04-2013, 12:16 PM
      #12102
    Yearling
    Quick peek before day-off duties...thanks Alex,Celeste,Maryland Rider. Already have alot of food for thought (& none in my hand! Janice has me give Tommy one cookie after he's back in his pen,after all his work is done,as a reward). Yes,establishing a relationship is what I'm after,but it has to the right one,w/me as #1 when Tommy & I are together, (even tho he's not my horse,but same rule follows.)

    Nope, no dog behavior,that one I've got. & have always wondered about the "huggy kissy stories". Something just didn't seem right. I'll look for the head drop & listen for the knicker. Janice has already taught me that stroking the shoulder,not the head,is the best way to say hello (& one day she & I were in a pen w/buddies mare & gelding; I was talking to her & paying attention to the gelding. The mare swung her hindquarters to me,& Janice had me instantly correct her,saying that she was mad @ not being center of attention,& just disrespected me...so now I watch for that.)

    & realize from Maryland, that when I intuitively wouldn't let Addie mutual-groom me,I did the right thing (& this is the little guy that can't be let out in pasture w/the group,as he'll round up the mares & pick fights w/the other geldings...so,he very well could've been placing me somewhere in his "order)..hmmm..

    Really want to read these guys for real. Oh, & in reading google-stuff last night,kept seeing the lean to nostrils thing & "breathing each others air". Somehow that feels like an invitation to having my face bit. Thoughts on that? Seems like there's alot of airy-fairy out there,& I want to have the real. You'all would really like Janice,she's Natural Horsemanship w/out the fluff.
         
        08-04-2013, 12:27 PM
      #12103
    Yearling
    Hmmm..Alex: do you think I should skip the after-work cookie reward to Tommy? Or keep doing it because it's now long-learned behavior (way before me).

    Oh! Funny story to share: Janice told me last week that one day the week before,Fire (a tawny colored gelding) got out of his pen on someone cleaning,headed for the tack shed (where the grain..& cookies!..are kept),pushed open the door & got right inside. It's not a large shed,by any means. Janice said she had an interesting time figuring how to get in the shed to get him turned around & out! (while a group of girls are outside,rolling w/laughter). That must've been a sight!
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        08-04-2013, 01:04 PM
      #12104
    Banned
    I don't treat my horse, my treats are my pats and praise, but most people do. I think a treat after work, is fine and won't do any harm.

    I don't share air with horses, nor allow them to groom or nuzzle me. I too think it's dangerous. Honestly it's just not worth it to me.
         
        08-04-2013, 02:27 PM
      #12105
    Started
    TJ, I've Ben thinking about your question all morning as I worked with my own two....I think Celeste summed up,exactly what I was going to say....I look for more of a RELATIONSHIP with my horses than lovey-dovey things. Yes, mine will nicker and come to,the fence when I call. I think like children, with the relationship, comes respect! With that respect comes TRUST from your horse, and with that trust they will stand as you groom, carry you through various obstacles, and nicker when they see your car pull up the driveway. . There's your love.

    That being said....relationships and trust do not happen over night. I've gone over twice a day everyday since I've brought JayJay home in June. I do something with him everyday, whether treat his feet, groom, or ride.....I NOW feel like he's beginning to trust me....it was actually yesterday that I passed through the field to work in the woods that he walked beside me and followed me along the fence line.... When he saw me coming out of the woods, an hour later, he came back to the fence line and followed me back. I had zero food!

    To see if he was 'hooking up' with me for sure, I would play a game and stop walking...he would stop, I would start, he would. it's a cool relationship we are building....actually one I'm so excited about we might mention it in book #2 bc it SO relates to children! ( Rainn on the other hand kept an eye on us...but kept eating grass! she's just like that!)

    As for the snack thing...I treat my horses, always have with all our horses.( my family has had them for years.). Sometimes I show up with carrots, apples, or corn husks....sometimes I give them right then, sometimes I wait and give them when I leave...sometimes I show up with NOTHING!

    That being said, I haven't ever had a biter, BUT again...I've developed a healthy, respectful relationship with all of my horses and do not allow disrespectful behavior!

    As a person coming back into horses, I can tell you you are going to get a LOT of different advice on what is right or wrong.....listen to it all, but ultimately you'll have to decide what works safely for you!

    Have a great day!
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        08-04-2013, 04:05 PM
      #12106
    Weanling
    To me, nickering when she see's me, coming to meet me at the gate, choosing to follow me around the pasture when she could just stay put and continue eating...these all tell me she wants my company. That, to me, is her showing affection.

    And I know it's not about getting treats, since sometimes I have treats, sometimes not. Sometimes I'll even carry treats that Fayde can see, but I don't give her any.
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        08-04-2013, 07:12 PM
      #12107
    Foal
    Finally managed to download some photos from my camptrip.
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        08-04-2013, 07:34 PM
      #12108
    Foal
    Here are a few more. The Last ones shows part of the bikers that made my friend and I change our minds about riding the main trial that day. There were about 30 bikers in that group.
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        08-04-2013, 07:50 PM
      #12109
    Foal
    Please check out the seconfld photo in the first set of photos. In the upper right corner, in the clouds. What is that thing????
    We did not see or hear anything, nor did the horses. We were still quite some distance from camp and any roads. Besides the fact we are way up on top of a mountian.
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        08-04-2013, 08:37 PM
      #12110
    Yearling
    Rosanne, you caught yourself a UFO!!!

    Seriously, I have no idea what that is. Any possibility it was a white bird?

    I haven't posted in about a week, but have been lurking and enjoying everyone's posts. It would be impossible to give shout outs to everyone, just know that I really enjoy reading everyone's thoughts, adventures, and questions.

    In my part of the world, I cantered bareback for the first time on Wednesday...on purpose!

    I did the barn chores tonight...feeding, turnout, mucking stalls, and putting down fresh bedding. It was my first time and all I have to say is...

    OMG! That is hard work!!!!

    I am not going to be able to move tomorrow. Even my feet hurt.

    But the BO is knocking $20 off my board next month for filling in tonight and I may end up picking up a regular night this fall because I want to move up to stall board for Isabella this winter. They stall the horses at night and let them out during the day in the winter. Last year, they ended up putting Isabella into a stall two different nights because she was shivering so bad despite a heavy weight blanket and she can't afford to shiver any weight away. Stall board is an extra $100 a month so if I can do barn chores one night a week, that could make up most of the increase. We wil see if I can even move tomorrow before I make that decision!

    I took a video for all of you tonight! Here is a introduction to the horses in Isabella's field. It was a beautiful night and I couldn't resist walking out there tonight to take some pics! Once you see this video, you will see why new barn help has so much trouble telling the horses apart!

         

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