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        03-04-2014, 08:20 PM
      #15611
    Green Broke
    Just splendid!! My newer Morgan, Sugar, is trained to drive a sleigh- acquiring her was unexpected, (but glad I did!) so keeping with hay and other such supplies is top priority. Someday, however.... :)
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        03-04-2014, 08:35 PM
      #15612
    Yearling
    All good TJ!!. Will look into that book.

    Got the call, my feed was in!! Yea! Bought all FOUR bags! should hold me a while.lol

    Saw my nephew I mentioned, and asked him to clarify the hay thing. He said that he prefers the first cutting for horses bc it doesn't contain clover, which much of the second cutting does. ( assuming around here anyway). He said clover often molds a tiny bit, which wouldn't bother cows, but not good for horses. He said, second cutting probably would be better; softe and tender, only of,course if it didn't contain clover.

    Got to the barn, horses, Anxious, not sure if just eager to eat or there's going to be a change in the weather, but they were 'different'. Jay finished his grain and kinda stood there, not eating hay, so I decided to play with him and make him use his mind.

    Here is where I question my self.....I feel comfortable with desensitizing....looping the rope on legs, flinging it over his body, jumping up and down like a weirdo....anything to help keep him calm.....but it's the moving of the feet I am still not comfortable with.....he moves his hind quarters pretty well, but not as good as I think he should...but I question myself bc that clinic I went to last spring,the guy always 'yelled' at me for allowing the horse to move his front feet while his hind quarters turned...I thought I was doing OK, I got him to move his feet! he just doesn't spin in one front foot.

    Now I question if I'm doing it right, and tonight Jay acted annoyed at my making him move by putting his ears back at me. That's not like him. I made a really loud ugly buzzer type sound like I had read to do when he put his ears back at me, instead of NO! He eventually stopped the ears laying back, but I feel like I am confusing or screwing him up.....I didn't stop bugging him ( de sensitizing and moving his feet, front and back) until he seemed to relax a bit. His eyes said he still wasn't pleased.....but he stopped raising his head and looking frightened.....and annoyed.

    How do I know I'm doing it right? I keep hearing that guy in my head...saying, NO, NO, NO! Ugh.

    Rainn seemed beside herself too tonight, so I rubbed her down. She kept turning sround and touching my head with her muzzle as if to thank me.

    After I worked with both, they happily went to eat hay, but not until! Funny night.

    Getting the winter blues...called an old friend, were going to have dinner Thursday.

    Also put a call into my old riding instructor....spring is near, I want to take a couple lessons to help,with confidence. Hope she has room for me.

    TJ, that close up pic is actually of Rainn! . She does have the sweetest face...hard to resist!

    Ok, lights out for me!

    Any suggestions are welcome!
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        03-04-2014, 09:22 PM
      #15613
    Green Broke
    Good deal on getting your 4 bags, NickerMaker, and a dinner to look forward to! Just came in from feeding the hay, got a message that my delivery of hay is coming in the morning, the second I finish chores. So likewise, I'm hitting the hay right now, as morning always comes early :)
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        03-05-2014, 02:26 AM
      #15614
    Started
    for the droad minded and the deep thinkers and at risk to my freedom plus to lift the

    It's only when you see a mosquito landing on your dangly bits
    that a man realizes that there
    is always a way
    to solve problems without using violence.











    Sorry
    spelling mistakes its been along day

    but we are over 40 and had children
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        03-05-2014, 02:31 AM
      #15615
    Started
    corrections

    It should have read


    For the broad minded the deep thinkers and at risk to my freedom plus to lift the spirits of the ones deep in snow and feeling unwell.
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        03-05-2014, 06:22 AM
      #15616
    Yearling
    I'm still pondering my little work session with Jay lst night....wondering if I push too much, meaning, if not one step why not three? Or a whole 360. who me? Would I ask too much? Hahaha. Maybe I am!

    Here's what he did do well, flexed his neck both sides after only a try of two. He turned on the forehand and haunches. The turning of t he haunches seemed slow moving to me at first, I had to get 'loud' and swing the rope to move him at first....this is what made him give me the ears. Maybe I should stop and buy a lunge whip ( left mine some place) and not use the rope as a prompt...seems to make him edgy, plus, I want to be able to fling the rope end at him as a desensitization tool, not scare him.....how will he know the difference? Seems confusing to me too!

    The guy who taught the clinic used the end of the rope and spun it like a sideways lasso type of thing to get the horse to move over....with jays background, maybe that isn't a good idea, as like I said, I am trying to desensitize him to the rope. The whip would be better...... Thing is I normally do not need to get loud with Jay....maybe it was just the day. Will play again tonight.

    Looks like the end of the week is to be sunny and 40s!!!! Woohoo! Now I have to get my butt working hard at work to get my lessons done so I can PLAY all weekend!!!!!. Ugh......my mind is blank tho......

    Was told I get two more students tomorrow...twins....that's bring me to 26 ! I am packed to capacity! Hope they are good ones...my troops are really working hard, I hate to upset the apple cart. Wish us luck!

    Ok, gotta go....get to work early and start my plans for next week! Get that out of the way!

    Have a great one everybody.
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        03-05-2014, 07:14 AM
      #15617
    Green Broke
    Most important thing to assure the horse that the rope itself is not evil is to rub him down with it after each thing you do with it to make him move. Same with the whip, flip the string around his legs on both sides , over his back and when he is moving like you want then rub the whip up and down his neck and around his head. This will reassure him the tool is not a bad thing and not to fear it. Hope that made as much since in type for as it did in mind form.

    I'm glad you mentioned the desensitizing because it is raining here and I took the umbrella out to feed the horses. Decided to open and close it as if to shake the rain off right by Doc and he just stretches out to get a muzzle feel of it. Not a single flinch from him. Walked over by Trusty and did the same thing which got a 3 step bolt before stopping to look back. Walked over and let him smell it then did it again with a 1 step jump then a couple of snorts. The last time he just jerked his head away without moving his feet. All the while, Little Man is staying behind me trying to figure out what I'm doing. I turn and do it at him and he moves his head out of the way as it opens then shoves his muzzle into it to get a smell and taste. He musts think it is a toy for him because he tried to take it from me.


    I rubbed it all over all three of them and they were fine after that. I went back by each one last time after putting their feed out while opening and shutting it with almost no reaction from any of them.


    Hope that helps your thinking, MN17.


    Stan, I wonder if these ladies will pick up on that story. I don't think it will work the same on their upper danglies.
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        03-05-2014, 07:27 AM
      #15618
    Yearling
    Thank Roaddy, I was hoping you would respond. Yes, I get what you are saying...did you get what I was saying? My fear is ruining him...he's so sweet, I don't want to make him mean...by doing something wrong.

    I DID end with flinging the rope at him, over him, etc. so he didn't think it was a bad thing. He would raise his head a bit...normal I think, but didn't move his feet.

    Maybe I can get mom to take video so I can watch what I am doing....could I be pulling on his head when I ask the back feet to move? Am I supposed to be? This whole moving the hind quarters thing has me confused.....

    I can easily do it ON the horse.....that stuff I KNOW....this whole ground work stuff is new to me and makes me feel very anxious b/c I am afraid of making a mistake.....I think I did that with Skye, and she got mean on me. Although I think she was a wacko. LOL

    Thanks
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        03-05-2014, 07:38 AM
      #15619
    Green Broke
    I get what your fear is. As long as you continue to assure him the rope is a tool and not a punishment along with your body language then he will not fear you or the rope. No you should not be pulling his head while asking for the rear haunch to move. There should be slack in the lead as you point at his rear haunch. He is used to just riding and agreeing to go where you go without giving to hard commands. Now you are asking him to do stuff from the ground and he has to learn how to respond to you from a different view.

    I'm not sure how you learned to move the haunches, but I was taught to stand facing the horse just to the side of the head then lean over and towards the back of the horse with the whip reaching back. If he doesn't move the haunch then pop the ground lightly at first then quick and hard to get him to move it around. The point is to have him swing his haunch around and come back to facing you.

    The trick is to do it in away that doesn't teach him to do it every time you walk to his side, else he will think he is suppose to swing his haunch around as you step towards the saddle to mount.

    Start with a smaller step. Try holding the lead loose in hand then putting your finger tip in his side right behind the stirrup til he swings his haunch around. It should get to the point where you barely even touch him and he swings it around. Make sure he is moving the foot closes to you in front of the other foot when he does it. Do that on both sides til he gets natural then go back to standing next to his head and reach at his haunch with the whip or rope.
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        03-05-2014, 07:46 AM
      #15620
    Yearling
    Roaddy, OK, I can picture how you are saying it...will have to reread later tho...LOL

    I was taught to step and stare 'meanly' at his haunches, and the body movement will send him on his way....honestly I couldn't do it...I felt like a fool the way the guy taught us....and then he kept 'correcting' me....but I still didn't get it...not the best teacher. I wish he would have literally taken my arms/body etc and showed me instead of 'yelling' at me....this is why I am weary......

    Your way sounds a bit simpler. Again, I'll try to get a video to help myself....I am thinking I may be pulling on his head inadvertanly, and maybe causing him to give me the ears......

    wish I knew how to post videos so you could see too....but don't.

    OK, I'll give it whirl tonight. THANKS!
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