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        08-23-2012, 08:01 PM
    Love it Stan!

    Hi all!
    Susan - so sorry to hear about your loss, hugs! And then to be worried about Bowan at school. I agree with others, the anti bully thing is either all talk and no walk, or taken waaaaay too far. If parents knew how to be parents, there would be no bullies! I don't believe I'm the best parent there is, but respect for themselves and others is drilled in around here. My boys know that they stick up for themselves and for others that can't, and that teasing is never tolerated in our house. Wish more parents would teach respect in their homes too. :(

    Chance - yes colic is the scariest. I'm really scared that this is normal for her when going into heat. The vet wants me to watch for that, and we can put her on Regumate if its a problem. My poor girl.

    Jaydee - you are right, the silver lining to not going to the show is more work on trailering.

    Ridesapainted - gorgeous horses!!!

    Emmjaycee - isn't it wonderful to go shopping in your own closet, especially when things that hadn't fit finally do again?!!! Congrats!

    School starts in one week, I am looking forward to it but also sad. I'm not ready for cold, wet weather yet. Summer arrived for about two weeks, and now we are back to 60s and overcast.

    Kes is lame again, or still I should say. Rode yesterday and the limp was back. I can't call the vet again after the colic, hubby would ground me from the horse forever. So, massage again today, especially on the legs and some gentle warmth and compression on that leg. I have to rely on my own skills at this point to try and get her better. It's not swollen or inflamed at all, no heat in it. That worries me, actually. Any ideas?

    Was kind of a depressing day, picked up my show coats from the tailor, only to zip them up in my show bag for next year. Then pulled Kes out of her stall and hugged her neck for quite awhile. Was supposed to be loading her into the trailer and making the trip to the show. So I held my pity party with my horse this morning, then got over it and got to work to make her well.
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        08-23-2012, 11:21 PM
    Just a quick note to say that I'm following the posts, enjoying the progress some of your are enjoying and commiserating with others who are not getting to ride or show or drill team....

    Stan, you made me laugh out loud. I don't know how one could read your jokes with coffee in hand -- I'd be spewing coffee out my nose in laughter!

    Grace, I think Kes is a sensitive, self-protecting mare. By that I mean that if she hurts, you know it. She tells you. And, other than her trailer behavior, it seems that she doesn't put herself in danger. So, to me that's the good news -- you don't have to worry about unintentionally working her when she's not ready, because she's telling you how she feels.

    Since there's no inflammation or heat, or swelling, you've got 3 great signs of healing. She's still ouchy, so there is some residual injury that's not healed yet and she's telling you about it. I swear by magnet therapy boots ($90 or less for a pair that I found) which in humans help with circulation and healing. Maybe something with joint supplement would help heal by reducing the remaining inflammation (omega 3's, MSM, HA). I like Corta-Flex pellets and my horses eat them out of my hand. My 31 year old mare has one knee twice the size of the other, from old arthritis, and she runs like a teenager when she's on the supplements. It's pretty good stuff. You might also chat with your farrier or BO to see if you can get hoof testers on her and check for something in the hoof....was this the one that she pulled off the shoe?
        08-23-2012, 11:40 PM
    Thanks Ladytrails, yep she does let me know when somethings not right, and I really feel in tune with her as well, I can really catch when something seems off when my trainer sometimes doesnt. She's on Omega 3s and Cosequin, has been since I bought her in April. I also believe in magnets, have just been looking at some to try on her legs, as well as a company to partner with as I would like to sell magnetic therapy in my practice as well. Which do you like and recommend for us to try?

    ETA: this isn't the hoof that she pulled the shoe on, she wasn't even limping on this one at all until a few days after the trailering...
        08-24-2012, 12:08 AM
    Grace, sounds like you have her covered with Cosequin and Omega 3's. It doesn't get better than that. My magnetic boots are like these -- but I think they were cheaper when I bought them a couple of years ago. It seemed that the reviews of effective magnetic therapy spoke about the type of magnets, number of magnets, depth of magnetic field penetration, etc. and these came the closest to hitting all the right spots. I used them for a whole winter, off and on, and was very pleased with how my gelding's tendon healed. Sounds like you're in for a bit of a wait and see...what my vet calls "tincture of time". It's golden - some people don't have that luxury but when you do, it's great to be able to let mother nature help out as much as she can. I'm puzzled by this odd lameness without any other signs - hoping some of our other mature and experienced posters have some clues for you!
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        08-24-2012, 01:12 AM
    Only problem with being an older rider is I don't bounce well anymore ... more of a "SPLAT!" or "CRACK!". So .... I ride a smaller horse and am much more careful.
        08-24-2012, 01:16 AM
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    Originally Posted by Koolio    

    With regards to "spare the rod, spoil the child", I think we have to remember that the "rod" isn't necessarily physical. There are many other very effective ways to reenforce boundaries aside from a swat on the behind. (Not that a swat on the behind isnt sometimes necessary as an attention grabber). What I often see in families with difficult or unruly children are a series of mixed messages, or inconsistencies in what is expected, what is reinforced and how it is reenforced. For example, I've taught many kids who must go to bed early because their marks are falling, yet an unsupervised television and video game console sits on top of the "study desk" in their bedroom giving the kid full access any time day or night. Kids are also often set up to fail because they are inappropriately 'punished' for their transgressions, or the punishment doesn't fit the crime. There is no mechanism to correct the behavior. For example, suspending a student for skipping school is ludicrous when you think about it.

    When I think back on it, it's an awful lot like training horses. We know that with horses, the correction must be appropriate to the offense and that consistency is everything. Just as inconsistency is unfair to the horse who is expected to learn it is also unfair to the kid who is expected to learn. Being diligent in correcting and guiding even the smallest behaviors is hard work and requires us to see above ourselves in concern for the other person, or animal. So often with both kids and horses, we respond emotionally to poor behavior, which usually goes hand in hand with applying inconsistent or inappropriate "punishments" rather than corrections. In my mind, punishment says, " I care about how your behavior affects me", where a correction says, "I care about how your behavior affects you". Those people who successfully work with kids and parent kids to become great people and those that successfully train horses know the difference well. I guess that is what makes them good leaders.

    Koolio, you are so right in all you say on this.

    As far as I can see, raising children is hard work!

    I am an observer and human body language is much the same as with animals, you can see warnings way before the event. Correction can take a lot of effort, many parents are not prepared to give this so things go from bad to worse. Many are afraid to correct for fear that their child, or pets, will not love them any more.
    The opposite is true. The person who corrects fairly is more likely to have that child/animals respect and love than the one who lets them get away with blue murder.

    I was late shopping one evening. It was about 9 p.m. Not many in the store. As usual I was dressed in my best - work clothes!
    I was a bit surprised to see a couple in their late forties with a small child of about 4 years in there. To my thinking a child of that age should be in bed fast asleep.
    This child had the mother and father of a tantrum in the centre of one aisle. The mother carried on walking whilst father went to pick the child up. Mother took his sleeve and pulled him away leaving the child having her hissy fit. She was on the ground kicking and banging the floor and screaming to wake the dead!
    I stopped by her and said "Hey, that looks like a good game, can I play?" and made to get on the ground with her.
    She stopped mid scream, looked at me and ran off to the top of the aisle where the parents were waiting.
    Later when we passed each other the kiddie was being carried and she refused to look at me. The mother asked what I had said/done and I told her.

    She told me that this was a foster child and they had her out because tantrums like this were the norm in shops so they wanted to try and sort it out when not many people were around. I felt bad for being judgemental earlier.

    About three weeks later I met them in the store again, this time the child was fetching from the shelves and looked a different child. I remarked to her how good she was for being such a good helper and her little chest puffed out and I was rewarded with a shy smile.
    Mother said that since the incident she had not had a tantrum in a store! Poor mite was probably terrified when a stranger, dressed in smelly work clothes wanted to play with her!

    I love problem animals and that includes children. Those that have tantrums either get ignored or laughed at. The latter makes them even madder and they soon realise that it has no effect on me. I do not try to coerce or bribe them to behave. When they come out of it I carry on as if nothing had happened.

    Anything said in the way of a promise whether it is a bar of chocolate or a smack, should be carried out, animal or human.
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        08-24-2012, 01:46 AM
    "Kids these days! What is this world coming to?!"
    I remember people saying stuff like that when I was a kid. And here I am now in a thread for folks over 40.
    Horses: have had a couple of really nice lessons since my emergency dismount. I'm almost back to normal pain-wise. Got a nice new helmet. Think I'll do a full lease next month instead of a half.
        08-24-2012, 01:56 AM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by Country Woman    
    that Stan is way too funny and true
    Very true
        08-24-2012, 02:16 AM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by ClementineKate    
    Only problem with being an older rider is I don't bounce well anymore ... more of a "SPLAT!" or "CRACK!". So .... I ride a smaller horse and am much more careful.
    I have the solution for that problem. Do you take a water bottle with you when riding I do, and fortify it with a substance that anaesthetise the body. No more splat and no embrasment and no pain that is until the effects of the water in the bottle wear off
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        08-24-2012, 02:38 AM
    Green Broke
    Tomorrow Stella gets a bath and neem oil again, I had a quick look at her snout this evening and there was improvement, her attitude was on the grumpy side so by the end of her bath she will be spitting tacks. Its cold water.

    Monday maybe another cattle drive, waiting for confirmation, but the weather is going to be bad. More rain and rain and rain and on it goes. We live on sandy soil and its water logged. It rains and the water sits around on the surface or forms ponds. However after the past three years of summer droughts we need the water table to rise, but not to ground level.

    No, no jokes unless you call me washing Stella with cold water a joke. She is going to be annoyed. Oh, and I get my saddle back this weekend. That will annoy she who must, not a good outlook for the weekend. The only females in my life annoyed at me, might as well open a bottle or two and sit in the corner again.

    Cheers all
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