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post #5151 of 29437 Old 08-26-2012, 09:26 PM Thread Starter
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Awesome news Grace
Look forward to hearing more
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post #5152 of 29437 Old 08-26-2012, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Foxhunter View Post
I am sure you are correct with her immune system but I would not give up hope with it yet.

Can you check as the whether or not your customs will allow a herbal package through customs?
I will send you some NAF D-tox which is my miracle cure for all ails.

This is the list of ingredients

Grape pulp, Vit. C, Zinc/Copper amino acid chelate, Manganese amino acid chelate, Multiple source citrus bioflavonoids, Beta-Carotene, Alpha-Lipoic acid, Curcuma longa, Glycyrrhiza glabra, Pantothenic acid, Vitamin and Mineral Premix, Aromatic Herbs.

When Nick, the vet first brought it out I had a young horse that was suffering from a viral infection. This had been on going for two years. In the end he was more or less bald, and also suffering fro Cauda Equina, which is when the immune system turns on the nerve endings and cause paralysis. He was tested positive for this and at that time there was no hope for him.
Nick sent me the D-tox and also Equimune and we started him on that. Within 24 hours he was brighter in himself, he went on to make a good recovery. The effects of the CE caused him to always drag his back feet but he went on to be a useful hunt horse.

If you can purchase the D-tox from NAF out there then there will be no problem getting it through customs. I know they sell it in Australia, not sure about NZ. I get it trade price so it is only the postage which, if it is like USA works out cheaper than buying it there.
Thanks for that I can get NAF D-tox here but it is over the moon cost wise and I have to wait 4-6 weeks so held back on ordering it. I have found a product recommended that is readly available and have put both horses on it. Boy their poo stinks so it has done something.

Stella has rubbed her shoulders raw in places and she does not like being touched but I managed to get the neem oil on her today. Her shoulders and chest. She is now standing in the paddock with a p---ed off look on her face My moneys on she got a taste of it. It is thick, I hope I have not over done it. She did not want to know me after the cold shower and now if she has tasted the stuff I won't get near her for a week.

I have contacted a company in NZ that has a number of products for mood, detox and mineral supplements and are waiting for a responce from them.

I think over all I have to look at ballancing all her systems. I have also been told if it is myco toxins it will take some time to get right.

Another thought is her immune system may have become over sensitive. But I don't want to go there at this time.

I have to work for the next 4 days so wont be able to put in the time required. Start in the dark and finish in the dark and can't get away with chucking a sickie for the week. So it will be a trying week. I am also taking her off the grass and putting her in the Jenny Craig paddock she will be living mostly on high fibre, low cal and very little sugar and supplements.

There is a silver lining. No Ticks on Stella and the insects seem to be leaving her alone. That stuff does put off every thing, even she who must has taken to going out. Might as well go and sit with the horse at least we smell the same.

As her skin is now so sensitive, no riding at all, not even bare back. Guess what folks I am now taking the bigest dog you have ever seen for its evening strolls And I am also taking a large dogy poop bag. In NZ we call it a wheelbarrow.

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post #5154 of 29437 Old 08-27-2012, 12:28 AM
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Aw Stan Im so sorry for you and Stella. Sounds frustrating. I have no advice, as I have yet to deal with skin issues (give me another month or two though, Im sure that's next). But, I do sympathize with you. Not knowing what is causing the problem is sometimes worse that the problem itself! I hope you find the cause soon!

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post #5155 of 29437 Old 08-27-2012, 08:18 AM
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Hi all.Hope evryone is well.I have a youtube channel [newfiesherry] where I post vids with me and my horses.Mostly just fun stuff.I am not a professional or anything like that.Just me having fun with my boys,doing my own thing and enjoying their company.
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post #5156 of 29437 Old 08-27-2012, 08:52 AM
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Stan - here is one possible scenario for Stella - and I speak from bitter experience:

The tick "collar" you used on her started an allergic reaction - the hair fell out around her face and head. You removed the "collar" expecting the reaction to stop and begin to heal. Sometimes it doesn't work that way - especially if a horse has a compromised immune system. The allergic reaction may have continued, as the chemicals in the "collar" were absorbed by her system - this is how the whole body tick protection works. Therefore, until all of the offending chemical leaves her system, the allergic reaction will continue, and may even get worse as more and more of the skin becomes itchy and inflamed.

Now - add to that (this is what set my mind off). You said something about her rug was made in China. Some of the dyes that are used in Chinese manufactured goods have some of the same chemicals that may be upsetting Stella's system. This might help explain why the skin is so irritated and inflamed around her shoulders and her armpits.

Allergic reactions can be a PITA to deal with. I had one horse that was actually allergic to the sun. He was a great horse, but would break out in hives as soon as the days became long enough for the sun to set off a reaction. The hives were barely detectible - even the vet had a hard time finding them. They were itchy, causing my horse to rub himself raw - which at one point caused a skin infection to set in. Daily baths with antibacterial soap were in order, along with oral antibiotics. I'm sure the soap stung on the raw areas, but the poor horse was a trooper, thought he couldn't seem to help dancing around a little when I would gently scrub the particularly raw areas. If he hadn't been such a nice guy, I would really have been in trouble.

Now for the kicker - when he was having a "breakout," anything thing that rubbed his skin would cause a new nasty patch. We couldn't use a halter (is that what you call a collar?) on him, or a fly sheet - absolutely nothing that would rub on the skin. Hubby made a halter for him out of a soft cotton lead rope - and we would only put it on long enough to give him his daily bath, then take it off.

I can sympathize with what you are going through with Stella. If we didn't love our horses so much, we would just sell them down the road to let someone else deal with them. It would be so much easier...but...we do love them, so we have to help them though it, don't we!
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post #5157 of 29437 Old 08-27-2012, 09:25 AM
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Stan Its so awful when someone like you puts so much love and ewffort into their horse and you feel like all you get is a big kick in the rear
Since you mention ticks so much I wonder if you get Lymes over there as we do here and if you have ever had her tested for it? It can give all sorts of odd behavioural symptoms as well as general physical ones that manifest in all sorts of ways.
Horses with sugar/insulin problems are more likely to hang onto their coats than shed them, You would also see the tell tale cresty neck and abnormal fat deposits by now as well as high risk of laminitis.
I was interested to see Dees comment on sun sensitivity as it was something my husband suggested. He can remember one dairy cow in a whole herd that was badly affected after eating some plant that gave her an extreme photo sensitivity reaction - she was in an awful mess but recovered. The plants he said to beware of are St Johns Wort (worst one) ragwort because of the liver damage it causes, arsike clover & some horses can have a reaction to alfalfa.
I still think you should get the vet back out and blood test her. Sometimes a course of steroids will settle the immune system back down (though they are a laminitis risk in some horses) - or some other sort of anti-histamine.
Stopping the itching is good but it isn't curing the cause
Do you get a lot of blackfly or midges there at this time of year? A lot of horses suffer a severe sweet itch reaction from them that can affect the whole body.
Also a high burden of micro' filarea one of the many worm parasites can migrate through the skin to cause severe inflammation and irritation
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post #5158 of 29437 Old 08-27-2012, 09:45 AM
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Poor Stella! & Stan, too, of course-skin problems are a real headache. My gelding is getting sensitive to the flies here & has a spot under his neck, a couple on his belly & some sores on his pasterns.. We have little flies that like to sit on the back /wither area. These are new to me, but they don't seem to do anything.
Had a nice ride Sat-went to check out road damage in the area-we had some very high-running washes, but the main roads held up or have already been repaired.

Can you believe we are almost to the ninth month of the year? The time has just flown by!
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post #5159 of 29437 Old 08-27-2012, 12:54 PM
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Stan, as a matter of interest, how much would NAF D-tox cost you without postage?
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post #5160 of 29437 Old 08-27-2012, 06:51 PM
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Stan: My miracle is flax seeds. I feed them whole, raw and unsoaked.
I am so sorry Stella is suffering.

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