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    12-05-2012, 12:22 AM
  #6081
Green Broke
Stan I will tell you confidence was a HUGE issue for me. I was afraid of hunter at one point. I honestly don't know the exact moment when it clicked but boy what a difference. I almost gave up horses all together. I think maybe working with the trainer will help huge. While I am not a huge parelli fan I believe if you trust someone they will help you immensely. It's an amazing feeling when it works and then it seems so easy. I really think of you get your confidence back you and Stella will have a whole new relationship. I wish you the best and I hope you get the same text elation that I got. It's wonderful
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    12-05-2012, 12:26 AM
  #6082
Green Broke
Sorry for odd words I am on my phone
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    12-05-2012, 12:58 PM
  #6083
Weanling
confidence

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Trailer training and potty training is all the same, you got to show them whos the boss and that they can do it for themselves.

Back to Stella and her trailer training. I mentioned earlier I gave up and got a young Parelli trainer to come around. Now this is after months of fighting Stella and within an hour Stella was loading and unloading with ease and not being lead on, but getting on by her self. Unloading, Stella used to come out of the trailer like a cannon ball, now calm.

Bugs had only been in the trailer a couple of times so on sunday when ready to come home I changed the way he was loaded from being lead on to being pressured from behind. What a difference no issue with loading.

I am a convert. I said convert not convict, to the Parelli method and intend learning more. The young lady I mentioned was Knee high to a grass hopper and Stella was 10 feet tall and would not mover her shoulders, she would swing her ample butt out of the way but not her shoulders. She explained what Stella was playing at, stood her ground untill Stella gave in and moved her shoulders away from pressure then it was all over she reduced Stella's standing in the herd to second place.

Me, Im still at the bottom of the pecking order with bugs. So the pecking order is Wife, (Kate, wifes horse) (James, Erne, the cats) and fighting for the next position is myself, Bugs, Stella.

On a serious note I intend to take a few lessons from this young trainer I am sure it will help me.

Now a question for all What do you do to get the confidence back, mine seems to have gone on holiday and there is only so much rum I can drink before I can't even see the horse, let alone ballance on its back, but the landings don't hurt. I feel my confidence was higher after I had the heart attack last December than it is now. Got me scratching my head.
confidence is huge when it comes to horses..well pretty much anything you do in life goes better when you do it with confidence versus with out confidence. Your on the right track stan. Get some one that you trust to do what they say and see that it works. What gives me confidence is seeing what im doing is actually working. For me confidence is rough. I can't get it unless I do it. China finger traps comes to mind. There are many many many different ways of ending up with the same horse at the end of training. And I know that by seeing how many many many different ways people have taken to end up with the same horse .. for me what makes a great horseman.or woman is simple. The more you have trained and been around horses the more little tricks you have in your pocket to try out on a horse when needed. That's what I love about training..and hate bout it. No one way works with every horse. Have to adapt and change all the time. Keeps me thinking late at night about some particular problem im having with a horse that all my other little ways arent working on. So you come up with a new and improved way. I at times catch that australia trainer. He is the one that seems to do what I do in a general way. And yet every time I watch him I either remember something I forgot or I learn something I never knew. Keep up the good work stan.trust me I've last confidence on a horse. Your going about it correctly in my book.but once again there are many many many different books out there..just use the one you like. That you understand. Perelli is fine. You trust that method..thats most the battle. And the other thing I might add..stop thinking about how badly its going to go before you do it with stella..and picture how good its going to go..with stella. Negative thoughts.and attitudes. Can be picked up by the horse. Every time im in a bad mood and looking for a fight. I get one no matter what horse im working on at that moment. They pick it up from me..good luck..keep it up.. your doing great.. ride safe everyone.. Scott
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    12-05-2012, 02:21 PM
  #6084
Trained
Good morning all my friends
Nice to see you all again
Hope to be here more often too
Missed you all very much
     
    12-05-2012, 02:58 PM
  #6085
Foal
Good afternoon, nothing happening in NW PA today that I know of.
     
    12-05-2012, 10:53 PM
  #6086
Yearling
Hey everyone!

Such a busy time of year. I hate the shorter days. Depresses me to leave to go to work when it is dark and drive home from work in the dark!

Isabella and I hit a milestone is our partnership on Sunday. Hubby didn't feel well so I went to the farm by myself. A trainer was there giving lessons so I just rode around in the arena, staying out of their way. Isabella was very cooperative and I felt like attempting something she has always refused.....going on the trail alone!

Isabella will go anywhere I ask her to go, as long as there is another horse with us. I understand that it is because she didn't trust me enough as her leader. I decided to see if that had changed.

I told the trainer what I was going to do in case I didn't come back! LOL

When I got to the entrance of the woods, Isabella hesitated and I urged her to walk on....and she did!!!!

It was just a short trail but we did it. I stopped her halfway and made her bend for some treats. I could tell she was a little nervous still so I wanted to make it a nice experience for her. We stood there for a while while she ate a couple of treats.

When we reached the end of the short trail, we can turn left and go over a bridge to more trails, or take a right and head back to the barn. I wasn't going to push my luck and planned on ending our day on a good note but Lady Isabella made the choice for me. She made a quick turn to the right and attempted to bolt back to the barn. She had a full on gallop for about 6 strides, but I got her back under control and we walked nicely back to the barn where I made her work some more before the ride ended.

So, even though she tried to bolt back home when we were finished, I still view it as a major victory! We went on a trail by ourselves!!! We have come a long way.

CW, glad to see you back on here!!

Stan, so sorry you had to walk your new horse around on the trek but I am happy that Stella is loading for you now. I think you should keep both of them for a while.
     
    12-05-2012, 11:54 PM
  #6087
Started
Thanks for the encouragement folks.
Its like I woke up in the morning and all the drive and confidence was left in the bed. Dealt with both horses but the spark had gone. I know I have two good horses. One who knows what to do but has a few issues which I have reached the end of my teather with, and a younger one who just needs milage and is quick to learn.

I'm going to size him for a bit tonight and then try him in a Myler combination.

Before I brought Bugs I ordered a bitless bridle for Stella. It finally arrived. This is different from the ones I have seen and will post a photo later when I have put it on her and of course comment will be invited. I doubt it will fit Bugs but he will also get to do the cat walk with it on.
     
    12-06-2012, 12:15 AM
  #6088
Yearling
Stan, I agree with Montana/Scott that you're on the right track. I've learned a lot in the last year from some great natural horsemanship trainers here in Missouri USA - who also just happen to be skilled horsemen/women and Parelli-trained trainers. The amazing thing is when I watch them do whatever it is we're doing, it seems so simple. Then, they watch me do it and can see all types of small differences which limit my success. I swear, there are such subtle clues the horse picks up on. For example, the trainer pointed a finger that I didn't notice - that finger makes all the difference in sending my horses in the direction I want. And, Stan, make sure it is your pointer finger, not the attitude finger! The horse can tell the difference! Another example, I was working on my young horse, sending him forward or in circles, such as you would need to do if you were to have the horse load himself into the trailer. I was glancing at the horse's hip instead of shoulder. He stopped. I looked at his hip to see why he stopped and he swung his hindquarters around. Well, I found out that looking at the shoulder makes the horse want to go forward, but looking at the hip means stop to the horse. So, they can tell the difference -- and now it's my ongoing lesson -- don't look at the hip! So, it probably feels like a lot of work ahead, and you're very disappointed that you've missed out on a lot of fun trekking this year... but I promise you, when you get the combination right, and Stella realizes that the gig is up, you will be very pleased at how well you and she can work together and I bet you see a big change in her attitude. This type of training may be a good investment with Bugs to get you both off on the right foot and helps you figure out which horse you're going to be riding in the coming weeks on the treks ahead.
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    12-06-2012, 12:22 AM
  #6089
Foal
Congrats on your trail ride, Corgi. I haven't tried riding my gelding, Moz, alone from here, but have hauled him out and went alone. He does pretty well away, but I think he might want to come home too fast for me, if I rode him from here. Next yr, I think we'll try it.
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    12-06-2012, 02:10 AM
  #6090
Weanling
CW congrats on the babies:) next thing you know all your money and time will be spent on little bitty boots and ponies, just speaking from experience.

Stan. Maybe your confidence is wherever mine is? My energy has gone missing too. I haven't worked since early September and still haven't ridden Judy Judy Big Ears again.i did get on a friends mare, not even as tall as Judy and I thought my daughter and friend were going to hurt themselves laughing at my attempt to mount without a leg up.
I did get a Chicks catalog today and they have a mounting stirrup for western saddles. Might have to get one.

Y'all take care and have fun and you find my missing confidence and energy please send them home as they're very much missed around here.
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