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cw I hope Marc feels all better soon that flu is kicking a lot of butts.
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post #7052 of 29437 Old 02-09-2013, 02:19 PM
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Yes, our vets never tranquilized a horse to float its teeth and I never saw one resist. Amazing when you think about it. I'm sure an occasional one did. The vets never forcefully held the mouth open with a device either. That could be the reason they did not need to sedate. Teeth were floated in the pasture, by the vet truck, or in a barn aisle or paddock while the horse was held by the handler.
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post #7053 of 29437 Old 02-09-2013, 02:27 PM
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I agree with alexS Stan ;)
I am sure it is a hard choice as I am having the same issues here
I know she has to get a horse that is less likely to cause her stress. An old injury has to be considered so a safe steady horse has to be found. Trouble is people often don't disclose bad traits because they are moving on a horse with issues (10 year olds) and its later one finds out. That is why I tend to gravitate to the young horses that have not been around to many owners. Less problems I believe. Not to many horses are borne bad its a learned process I think.

Eludic you have some points with the dentist and not human. Horse.
Stella and kate had the tried and true way a rasp and no sedation. Because Bugs was an unknown with his behavour I decided to try modern dentestry. It cost an arm and a leg $260 plus my traveling to the dentist $50 fuel and half a day off work. A wolf tooth was extracted but that is so small in the root he most likely did not feel it. Sedation I think takes days for the effects to disapate fully.

As we in NZ tend to place our horses on grass grown for dairy they do not get to grind their teeth down on hard feed as they would in the wild. We have a few wild herds here in Northland and our Kaimanua horses in the central north island. No wild dentists.
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Yes, our vets never tranquilized a horse to float its teeth and I never saw one resist. Amazing when you think about it. I'm sure an occasional one did. The vets never forcefully held the mouth open with a device either. That could be the reason they did not need to sedate. Teeth were floated in the pasture, by the vet truck, or in a barn aisle or paddock while the horse was held by the handler.

Exactly! The dentist I use is an older man, who keeps threatening to retire. I tell him that if he does retire, that he might find me knocking on the door to his house, holding a lead rope with a horse on the end of it.

I really believe he has a gift with horses. I really want to apprentice with him, and learn from him, but my none horsey husband is so very against that idea. He is convinced these animals will kill me one day. I think I might ignore him and do it anyway. The worst he could do is divorce me, and I don't think he'd ever do that.


Anyway, the dentist will come to the horse, in whatever environment they are in. Remove the halter I have put on, and put on a huge oversized Draft halter. I asked him why he does that last visit, as the halter he likes, looks to be about as old as he is. He says the less resistance he puts on a horse, the less he gets back.

He then rubs the horses face very briefly, but that includes covering the horses eyes for a second with his hand. He says if they allow that, he usually knows they are fine. He them opens up the mouth, and puts his hand in starting at the front, and heading to the back so his arm is in up to his elbow with no device holding the mouth open at all. He talks to the horse quietly and smoothly - heck I feel more relaxed and he is not doing anything to me.

He is just one of those very rare humans who are amazing. Even my foster kids are so much better when he is around. I am not sure if he remembers my horse or not, as he has only seen him three times, in a three year period, and he sees a lot of horses. But every time he sees Lucas I get the same speech from him. Lucas was only 5 the first time they met, and my dentist was just in awe of him. He spends as long praising him afterwards as he did doing his teeth in the first place. I hope he is right, but he tells me that with my horses heart, he would do anything I asked of him. I always love Lucas more after the dentists visit than I did before.
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Isabella is due for a teeth floating. Her vet does it and he uses sedation and power tools. Last year was the first time I ever saw a teeth floating and thought it was very barbaric. I wish I could find someone to do it the other way. It took Isabella a couple of hours to come out of the sedation..makes me worry.

I had to share this picture. Today, my hubby and I went to visit a friend that lives on a small farm. They raise mini pigs and had a litter born on January 27th. I love piggies! (I don't eat pork...haven't had a bite of it since the movie "Babe" came out). This was my first time holding a baby pig! Loved it!
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Great pic Corgi. How cute, and now I feel bad, I have a pork shoulder roasting at the moment.


I don't know where you are in VA, but I did a search of traditional none power tool, none sedation dentists in VA and found this:


Flint Hill, Virginia

Contact: Ken Pankow
Phone: 540 675-3815

Jeff Talbot, Warrenton VA (540) 341-4337

Vet, but uses hand tools and only sedation when needed
The Equine Practice, Inc - When Horsemanship Counts And Results Matter

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If they are not close to you, maybe they can point you to someone who is. I am very firmly against using sedation, if it's not needed.
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The debate is on, which form of dentistry for the horse. Modern tec or the old way. We could have them all pulled and a set of dentures fitted.

A couple of photos of Stella sporting a new Australian Light rider bit less bridle. Have not rode her with it She is so fat I would not be able to spread my legs wide enough to get on her. However I did take her for a half hour walk. Start of exercise to get some weight of her. And me

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I think my opinion on the matter is pretty clear Stan. Laugh. But it depends on who is doing it, someone who sucks would suck regardless of the method they use.

Stella doesn't look terribly thrilled. For over weight horses I like to trot, trot and then trot some more.
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I think my opinion on the matter is pretty clear Stan. Laugh. But it depends on who is doing it, someone who sucks would suck regardless of the method they use.

Stella doesn't look terribly thrilled. For over weight horses I like to trot, trot and then trot some more.
Stella had just been given a shower and is never to pleased but the flies have been biting so some TLC was called for. As for the look on her. That's normal when I am around Ears half laid back. However when I took her for the walk she did all I asked. Stella has not had any meaningful work since befor Xmas so it all means pain to her until her fitness gets up. And mine.

And while you are trotting around what is the horse doing.

Dentist, I have not made up my mind. Bugs was not to heavily sedated but a couple of days rest was recommended before riding again. Two reasons given, to allow his mouth to heal after the tooth extration and to make sure the effects had warn off completley. Its to **** hot to go riding. Just looking over the paddocks they are tinder dry I have never seen them this bad before. A spark off a horses shoe would set the grass ablaze.

Don't know if I would attribute this to global warming as the temptures are normal for this time of year, but the lack of rain fall is not normal. Looking out over the hills all one sees is brown when it would normally be green.
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We made it back doc is in his stall doing great. He loaded in the trailer like a champ I was so proud. I will post pictures soon okay
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