"This horse is trained" *small rant*

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    09-20-2010, 01:51 PM
"This horse is trained" *small rant*

How many times have you ridden a horse that's "trained" but has absolutely NO idea about bit pressure? I'm working with a horse right now that was supposed to be "push button". Yeah, she's push button if you only want to go and go fast.

I'm basically starting from scratch with her, showing her what a bit is and what I want her to do with it. I haven't ridden her faster than a walk yet because she's **** near impossible to steer at a trot and I don't want to know what she's like at a canter.

Thankfully she's a quick learner at least when it comes to turning. Has absolutely NO idea what I want when I'm telling her to "whoa" though. We had a little runaway incident yesterday that really brought that home to me. I haven't trusted her out of the paddock yet, so there wasn't far to go, but it was extremely difficult to stop her even with a one rein stop.

All in all she's a great little horse though and I think she'll be a good fit with my family. It's just a little annoying to be told a horse is trained and you find out that it isn't. Good thing I'm not stupid enough to just throw a kid or beginner on her huh?

On a side happy note, she seems to be entirely done with her mouth issue. No longer tossing her head, rearing, clamping her mouth shut or pulling it away. I actually got her to open her mouth yesterday with no problems. Working on the tail issue now..... Wish me luck!
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    09-20-2010, 01:58 PM
I really hate deceptive sellers. I think everyone can agree that I would much rather know up front than later. A good buyer isn't going to be detered by the truth. If they had told you that she had some training but needed work...wouldn't you have bought her anyways? You just would have had a heads up! I turned off several buyers of my former horse because I was too truthful. I gave them the laundry list of issues...most of them minor but I thought they needed mentioned. The girl who eventually bought him knew exactly what she was getting.

Good luck with this girl. She sure is cute enough to back it up!
    09-20-2010, 02:34 PM
Oh I know, I was going to take her home no matter what. I liked her, thought she had potential, no terrible flaws, and the price was right. Even after she completely flipped out for the vet I was going to keep her, it just would've been nice to know ahead of time.

If I ever did sell a horse I'd be like you. That way they already know what's wrong with the horse and if they can deal with it. Hopefully that will ensure the horse ends up with a good home instead of being passed from owner to owner.
    09-20-2010, 03:10 PM
I am guessing people are not being purposely dishonest... for the most part.... I bet either they did not make a list of things to mention, felt they answered all the questions, or it is not something they even do/use so it is not on their radar....
    09-20-2010, 03:26 PM
Oh no Citrus, I was specifically told she had "small" issues with the vet, but if the vet just went slow and it was fine. After the vet check I called them about her behavior (rearing & kicking) and THEN she told me that the other vet just twitched her right away and whipped through everything.

I was also specifically told that she was/is a push button hunter/jumper pony and perfectly trained, just too sensitive and perfectly trained for a child. That's a very very far cry from a horse that leaps forward everytime either of your legs touch it (doesn't bend with them either, just goes forward and fast), doesn't turn, and has no idea what your saying when you ask her to stop. Rears when you mess with her mouth, rears when the stethoscope gets near her, kicks like mule if you mess with her ass (thermometer), is very nervous about farrier work, etc.

No matter who you are or what training methods you use, that is not a well-trained horse. It's not like I'm bombarding her with crap either. I waited for over a week to start riding her and have been working on groundwork and getting her to relax and trust me. Our sessions have been short and sweet and I ask her for a little bit at a time.

As I said before she IS a very quick learner. She's doing very well turning now and picked up flexing in 3 -15 min rides. She also picked on turn on the forehand very quickly. She isn't perfect at any of this of course and when she gets startled it all flys out the window because it isn't second nature to her yet, but I have a lot of hope for her. The whoa is a bigger issue and I won't be taking her off property until we've got that down pat.

As I said before, none of her problems are too much for me. I'm just annoyed that I wasn't given the truth about her training level.
    09-20-2010, 04:25 PM
In horses, to me, hiding the truth and flat out lying are the same. When we got a rescue in that was an owner surrender, we had to ask why. He said that he just didn't have time for the horse anymore and that he had simply lost interest in them. Good enough...until the horse showed up at the farm, covered in ticks and fighting mad. He almost killed a few horses on the farm until we were able to corral him by himself. He was extremely horse aggressive. Smart horse, cute horse, good riding horse, not a pasture buddy. No problem. Why not say that straight out though? We found out a few weeks after he arrived that he was turned over because he broke his pasture mates leg in two. The man spent 10K getting her leg fixed and she was his *favorite* horse. So when she was coming home after a few weeks in the horsey hospital...Rebel had to go. In the end, it was found that he had end stage lyme disease and was most likely experiencing psychosis because of it. So we did what his owner didn't have the guts to do. We had him put down.
    09-20-2010, 07:38 PM
When I sold Baby, I must have spent an hour clarifying EVERYTHING about her. She gets buddy sour if left unridden for to long, and she'll do x, y, and z. She likes this but not that, she does this but not that. She's had a, b, c, and d experiences. She likes to be scratched here, she had problems the first few days because of this, this, and that. This is what training she's had, this is her known history, etc. etc.

Yes, you may 'miss' a sale because of some particular problem. But if someone decides not to buy your horse because of it, all the better. Better to match the right horse to the right person then to sugar coat the wrong horse to make it look like the right one
    09-21-2010, 11:30 AM
Exactly Twogeldings. What good does it do to sell the horse if the next person just has to get rid of it right away. I suppose it's not their problem anymore and that's the point.

I did know that these people just wanted her gone, so I should of suspected, but the previous owner was the one telling me she was perfectly trained. Meh, oh well it'll work out. Lily's lucky I'm the one who got her though! Little stinker, I wonder if she appreciates it?

Cori, that's terrible. Poor horse. I've heard of Lyme's causing personality changes, but didn't realize it was that terrible. That's the kind of passing the buck crap that shouldn't happen too. I mean how would that man have felt if that horse came to your place and killed or seriously injured another horse? I personally couldn't live with myself.

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