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post #11 of 28 Old 01-19-2012, 03:27 PM
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They say no contracts were signed... So, what do they have against her? These people willingly gave her their horses.
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post #12 of 28 Old 01-19-2012, 03:37 PM
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one count of deceptive business practices (Grade 3 felony) and four counts of theft by deception (two of them Grade 3 felonies, two of them Grade 1 misdemeanors).
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post #13 of 28 Old 01-19-2012, 03:46 PM
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Something just doesn't sound right, IMO. Why would a top trainer, who, if she is what they say, would most likely have top clients with nice horses. Definitely worth more than $300. Typically when a trainer sells a horse they get a commission-and the owner gets the rest. So, what were the owners told happened to their "investment?" Were these horses that, for whatever reason, were now only pasture sound and being retired and she promised to "find them a good home"?

I agree this sounds bad, and word needs to get out, but I also think there is more to the story. WOuld love to know what the owners were told. Sounds pretty fishy to me.
When I lived up in PA, my ex-partner's wife was a trainer at Philly Park. When a horse is no longer fit for racing, or is never in the money, they are pretty much given away. It cost a good deal to keep a horse at the park and do nothing - stalls, feed, hay, trainer, etc. It wouldn't be unusual if you had contacts, to acquire those horses for next to nothing - or even nothing. Regardless of their original cost, they are now nothing but a liability and a tax write off.

Most are absentee owners and only look at the bottom line. If you get in with a trainer, you can acquire a good many horses for a "promise" to find them a good home.

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post #14 of 28 Old 01-19-2012, 04:55 PM
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Sounds like a weak case to me. One of the articles states "Lefever is accused of deceiving two horse owners at Penn National racecourse in Grantsville, Pa., by indicating to them she would make every effort to retrain and re-home their retired Thoroughbred racehorses."

If that is what the owners were told, then a good home was not guaranteed, simply that she would make every effort to find one. To convict her on those charges they have to prove that she had knowingly and deliberately gone against their agreement - since there was not a written contract and the verbal agreement is vague, they'll have trouble. I'm not putting any weight in the nasty remarks they are claiming she made unless they're in text or recorded - they seem to serve no better purpose than to instigate an emotional response from the reader. Not defending her or saying she didn't take those horses with the intent on selling them to a kill buyer, but besides some very upset owners, there doesn't seem to be anything distinguishing that from the possibility of her taking the horses on with good intentions, getting in over her head and offloading them as quickly as possible. Poor decision making sure, but good luck charging her for it with little to no hard evidence. This is why we always get things in writing people. Always.

So what's this about kill buyers being so desperate for horses that they are approaching rescues? I'm honestly curious as it isn't the first time I've heard that statement but can't for the life of me see any reasoning behind it, since desperation from canadian kill buyers to find new sources would indicate a slump in supply - which is very much not the case.
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So what's this about kill buyers being so desperate for horses that they are approaching rescues? I'm honestly curious as it isn't the first time I've heard that statement but can't for the life of me see any reasoning behind it, since desperation from canadian kill buyers to find new sources would indicate a slump in supply - which is very much not the case.

The kill buyers call the rescues in FL and in PA that offer $1 adoption specials on the horses that cannot be rode and are being offered as pasture mates or pets.

They try to act as if they are not kill buyers but most of the time cannot answer basic horse care questions or they dont let the rescue do a farm visit which is often a requirement. It happens a lot actually especially in FL
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Even if what she did (according to the story here) is technically legal, she's still ethically or morally in the wrong so far as I am concerned.
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When I lived up in PA, my ex-partner's wife was a trainer at Philly Park. When a horse is no longer fit for racing, or is never in the money, they are pretty much given away. It cost a good deal to keep a horse at the park and do nothing - stalls, feed, hay, trainer, etc. It wouldn't be unusual if you had contacts, to acquire those horses for next to nothing - or even nothing. Regardless of their original cost, they are now nothing but a liability and a tax write off.

Most are absentee owners and only look at the bottom line. If you get in with a trainer, you can acquire a good many horses for a "promise" to find them a good home.
Understand now. I did not know she was a track trainer. TOTALLY different than what I was thinking, and now that was clarified. THanks. I live near a track, Finger Lakes, and am well aware, particularly at the end of the season, the glut of horses available.

While I agree her dealing were shady, she is only charged with 6? Not much, so unfortunately unless more people come forward she will probably get a slap on the wrist.

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post #18 of 28 Old 01-19-2012, 05:25 PM
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I don't know if she was a trainer, Frank, but she only needs an in with one or a few and that's not hard to have. .

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Understand. I was just going by the OP.
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Is she training them.. and then selling?

Cause that's just messed up..

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