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    01-19-2012, 06:22 PM
  #21
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More info in this article! Worth the read

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Originally Posted by Gremmy    
Sounds like a weak case to me. One of the articles states "Lefever is accused of deceiving two horse owners at Penn National racecourse in Grantsville, Pa., by indicating to them she would make every effort to retrain and re-home their retired Thoroughbred racehorses."

If that is what the owners were told, then a good home was not guaranteed, simply that she would make every effort to find one. To convict her on those charges they have to prove that she had knowingly and deliberately gone against their agreement - since there was not a written contract and the verbal agreement is vague, they'll have trouble. I'm not putting any weight in the nasty remarks they are claiming she made unless they're in text or recorded - they seem to serve no better purpose than to instigate an emotional response from the reader. Not defending her or saying she didn't take those horses with the intent on selling them to a kill buyer, but besides some very upset owners, there doesn't seem to be anything distinguishing that from the possibility of her taking the horses on with good intentions, getting in over her head and offloading them as quickly as possible. Poor decision making sure, but good luck charging her for it with little to no hard evidence. This is why we always get things in writing people. Always.

So what's this about kill buyers being so desperate for horses that they are approaching rescues? I'm honestly curious as it isn't the first time I've heard that statement but can't for the life of me see any reasoning behind it, since desperation from canadian kill buyers to find new sources would indicate a slump in supply - which is very much not the case.
In the story I read she promised the owners to find them homes and never sell them to slaughter. Kelsey Lefever: 'Every One of Them Is Dead' - PaulickReport.com

One owner paid her $200 and gave her 10 bags of grain for the horse, he said if she needed more to let him know and he would supply it. He told her that he would take the horse back if she couldn't find him a home. The owner was adamant that the horse was not sold to slaughter.
     
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    01-19-2012, 07:27 PM
  #22
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Yes, in the story you read. I saw it worded about 3 different ways in the various articles linked to that one - my point is, it is not in WRITING. This is why verbal agreements - while technically legally binding, have difficulty holding up in court. It is virtually impossible to nail down the exact wording of what was said (hence, "he said, she said"). What she ultimately did is no doubt reprehensible and what goes around comes around, but unfortunately without enough evidence they cannot convict her. I understand the owners being upset over what she's done, but they should have gotten the agreement in writing. It just cannot be emphasized enough.
     
    01-19-2012, 07:27 PM
  #23
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I personally know Kelsey, and consider her to be a friend of mine. I read all of this stuff about her last night as it is all over the news and being discussed all over the web. I was actually texting with her this morning.

I met her because I bought Lucas from her, and since then we became friends and spoke with some frequency, we had even talked about going out and having a beer together at some point - but my foster kids put a crimp on any kind of social life for me.

I am shocked and horrified by the allegations against her - but there is more to the story, that I am sure will come out. We are only hearing one side of the events, I don't know the other side, but I know there is one.

As far as the training aspect, and her job. (This is all from my perspective and opinion)...

She has a large property with I'd guess 20ish acres. She buys horses from New Holland auction, and takes them from the track. Fattens them up, puts some training into them and flips and resells. The majority of her horses were selling in the $2k range, she had a few that were better and one I recall recently in the $10-15k range. I have had a lot of respect for her because she didn't take the sick or lame or old and try to save them, she took the ones that had potential and put some time into them to send them onto new homes.

Other places on the net have people telling pretty horrendous stories about her level of care for the horses, but I never witnessed or had any idea about any of that. And in fact I witnessed the opposite. Yes she has skinny horses at her place, when they first arrive from auction, but they do not (in my experience) stay that way.
I saw her devastated at the loss of her daughters old pony. Posting pics of her fat healthy pigs. Asking questions all the time about Lucas, commenting on my FB pics of him etc.

As Kelsey is a friend of mine, I have been reading everything I can about this situation. The text messages that she sent are pretty ****ing, and I imagine that the criminal case will hinge on them - but I have lots of questions.

Why on earth would she take these horses when they are many more available that would not have had a no slaughter agreement.
Why would she take them to New Holland when she could have arranged to take them straight to the meat guys farm?
Why after these horses were identified at the auction did they sit on a feedlot before slaughter (assuming) rather than being pulled?

I read on other websites threats, including death threats being made against her. I don't know of her guilt or innocence in this, but at this point she has not been convicted of anything but she is being crucified in the media and on the web.
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    01-19-2012, 07:57 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by Gremmy    
Yes, in the story you read. I saw it worded about 3 different ways in the various articles linked to that one - my point is, it is not in WRITING. This is why verbal agreements - while technically legally binding, have difficulty holding up in court. It is virtually impossible to nail down the exact wording of what was said (hence, "he said, she said"). What she ultimately did is no doubt reprehensible and what goes around comes around, but unfortunately without enough evidence they cannot convict her. I understand the owners being upset over what she's done, but they should have gotten the agreement in writing. It just cannot be emphasized enough.
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I agree. But if I were a betting man, she'll cop a plea deal. If I were her I'd say screw it and go to trial. Call the prosecutor's bluff on the state's dime.
     
    01-19-2012, 08:10 PM
  #25
Trained
Thanks Alex-I know there is more to this story. Personally I will wait my judgement until we get more information.
     
    01-19-2012, 08:17 PM
  #26
Banned
I wish more people would FnB, she is yet to be convincet of anything but I guess it's guilty until proven innocent.
I don't know either way about her guilt or innocence, but it will all come out.
     
    01-19-2012, 08:27 PM
  #27
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The thing that bothers me most is the text from that article that I read. If those texts are accurate then it looks really really bad for her.

According to Groninger’s statements to Trooper Shelly, Lefever then said: “I killed every one of those f---ing horses, over 120 of them, if they only knew. I only have five left and the ones that you have. Every one of them is dead. I don’t even know their names and there wasn’t a god**** thing they could do about it because they gave me those horses. I didn’t sign one contract for any of them and there is no paper trail from Bruce (Rotz, the buyer for the Canadian slaughter plant), so they have to prove it.”

AND "According to Patterson, Lefever inquired if the horse “had anything in him” (medication). Beau Jaques had only recently been treated with penicillin, phenylbutazone, and naproxen, Patterson told Lefever."

If that is also true, then that shows that she intended to sell the horse to slaughter from the time she agreed to find him a home. Why else would she want to know if the horse had received any sort of medication?


I agree that there is a lot missing from the story, but it is very hard not to judge from what I have read on that article. The texts and info from her friend make it seem like she lied to the owners to get possession of the horses just to make money off slaughtering them.
     
    01-19-2012, 08:38 PM
  #28
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Agreed, the texts are bad, and that's the only evidence against her that has been released and is not hearsay.


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Originally Posted by Rachel1786    
If that is also true, then that shows that she intended to sell the horse to slaughter from the time she agreed to find him a home. Why else would she want to know if the horse had received any sort of medication?
Lots of reasons. She regularly takes horses from the track and resells them, sometimes quickly. When I bought Lucas from her she assured me that he would not have anything in him left over from the track - as a buyer, that's something that I wanted to know.
     

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