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  • If a horse breeder lies about a horse they sell you are they liable

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    01-26-2012, 03:53 PM
  #21
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Agree with kevinshorses.

People need to own up to their mistakes or misjudgements on their skill level or what they can handle; instead of passing on the blame to someone else. There's too many instances where it was miscommunication.

If you're buying the horse because it's pretty and you can "send it to a trainer" that's great and all, but will you be able to handle it? Probably not. Maybe if you get training you could manage.

But why not just buy something that you truly can work with, without biting off more than you can chew? And you can still get help from a trainer or riding instructor to better both you AND the horse's skills/confidence.

Additionally as others have suggested, I would try to avoid buying a horse that you haven't ever seen in person.

People sugar coat things, and some horses require firmer (or softer) handling.

And always bring someone experienced to assess where you are in your own abilities, versus where the horse is.

You want to have fun and be safe with your horse, not hurt and frustrated and having anxiety from lack of confidence by choosing the wrong horse for you.

I hope things get ironed out, OP. If he won't give you your money back then either take him to court or cut your losses and sell the horse to someone that can manage him.

Best of luck.
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    01-26-2012, 03:58 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
My point was that some people are thier own worst enemy. They either aren't honest with themselves about thier riding ability or they make excuses for the horse. Then when they get burned they blame everyone but themselves.
It's true to some degree but you have the other side where people are downright lied to. The pony we were stung with was a "family" pony that she had owned for years. It was only when I had a problem with it, and by digging around we discovered she was a dealer and the pony had only landed with her a few days before. Unfortanetly you have to take people for what they tell you, unless you know the horse/pony from somewhere else you have no choice but to believe what you are told.

I couldn't imagine buying a horse sight unseen. I think that's asking for trouble, but there are plenty of liars and people who want to make a quick buck that anybody can be done over with them.

EDIT: I do agree though that in some cases people bite off more than they can chew and have nobody to blame but themselves. I'm just also aware that some people get stung by other people who downright lie about the horse.
     
    01-26-2012, 04:05 PM
  #23
Trained
That's why I never pay much attention to what the people are saying. Listen to the story the horse is telling you. If you ride the horse then you should be able to tell what the horse is like and if it's suited to you.
     
    01-26-2012, 04:11 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
I don't think I know any Horse Trader - who isn't a liar. The saying around here goes "Buyer Beware"
You may have had a bad experience or know the wrong people, MOST of the horse traders, the genuine horse traders I have known have been great to deal with. Because their business is to buy and sell they need repeat business and word of mouth in the horse community can kill you stone dead.

So while BUYER BEWARE is teh watch word anytime you go to buy a horse, a good horse trader can be a great place to visit, they tend to have a range of types of horses, and the guy I worked with a lot found me 2 gems when I was looking.


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I couldn't imagine buying a horse sight unseen. I think that's asking for trouble, but there are plenty of liars and people who want to make a quick buck that anybody can be done over with them.
It's done more than you think, I have both bought and sold sight unseen, this is a kind of Haflinger desert up here, and it would cost me more than the cost of the horse to go and see them, so I have bought a few from videos, pics and conversations, hey, even Big Ben here was bought sight unseen. I have only been lied to once, and that was from a breeder, who seems to be respected in her breed, she downright robbed me, but the small town breeder, the trader and the private person I've dealt with, full honesty and full disclosure, I knew what I was getting and was happy with the deal.

OP, suing anyone over a horse deal is hard, I did manage to get a little money back from my one sour deal, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth. If the horse you bought it sound and healthy, just not a good match, sell it and move on, or take it to a local reputable dealer and trade it in.
     
    01-26-2012, 04:17 PM
  #25
Green Broke
Buying horses is a lot like buying used cars....

You never believe what the salemans pitch is and always look under the hood...
     
    01-26-2012, 04:18 PM
  #26
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You may have had a bad experience or know the wrong people, MOST of the horse traders, the genuine horse traders I have known have been great to deal with. Because their business is to buy and sell they need repeat business and word of mouth in the horse community can kill you stone dead.

So while BUYER BEWARE is teh watch word anytime you go to buy a horse, a good horse trader can be a great place to visit, they tend to have a range of types of horses, and the guy I worked with a lot found me 2 gems when I was looking.




It's done more than you think, I have both bought and sold sight unseen, this is a kind of Haflinger desert up here, and it would cost me more than the cost of the horse to go and see them, so I have bought a few from videos, pics and conversations, hey, even Big Ben here was bought sight unseen. I have only been lied to once, and that was from a breeder, who seems to be respected in her breed, she downright robbed me, but the small town breeder, the trader and the private person I've dealt with, full honesty and full disclosure, I knew what I was getting and was happy with the deal.

OP, suing anyone over a horse deal is hard, I did manage to get a little money back from my one sour deal, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth. If the horse you bought it sound and healthy, just not a good match, sell it and move on, or take it to a local reputable dealer and trade it in.
Sorta going away from the topic at hand.. but did Ian Miller not travel to Belgium to see Big Ben before he was purchased? I think he was directed to the horse by somebody he knew.

I couldnt imagine it personally, but I'm in a country where I can drive from one end to the other in 4 hours - there is no reason for somebody here NOT to travel to see a horse. I had to drive for 6 hours in Saskatchewan last year and my husband who had never been before almost went up the wall can't say I wouldn't blame you for not travelling.
     
    01-26-2012, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
You may have had a bad experience or know the wrong people, MOST of the horse traders, the genuine horse traders I have known have been great to deal with. Because their business is to buy and sell they need repeat business and word of mouth in the horse community can kill you stone dead.
GH, I'll have to somewhat disagree with you and say it depends a lot on where you leave AND what one describes the horse dealer.

I know several very nice and respected in area farms that do boarding, training, and lessons, and also sell horses on top of it (and you know what you are getting and those horses are usually not cheap). But I'm not positive they could be called true "horse dealer". I'd rather say "off-farm sale".

However several people I've met who only did re-sell of the (mostly from the auction) horses were true rip-offers to the point of some customers getting hurt. They all are also very well know in area, and those who know them stay away as far as possible.
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    01-26-2012, 04:32 PM
  #28
Green Broke
It's still a crap shoot if you do see him, touch him, and ride him.

Many horses are drugged when shown, and then when you get them home, they often turn out to have a different temperament.

My suggestion is to stop by and see the horse several times, and if possible, stop in unannounced.

Sorry you're having issues with the horse.
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    01-26-2012, 04:39 PM
  #29
Banned
How much did you pay for this horse? Why did you have to go out of state to find it? Why would you risk the presumably considerable cost of shipping without having someone trustworthy objectively evaluate the horse on-site and getting a pre-purchase exam done before committing to pay for it?

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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
I don't think I know any Horse Trader - who isn't a liar. The saying around here goes "Buyer Beware"
Well, I know several. And I don't know all that many horse traders. The buyer should always beware, anyway. There are plenty of honest people in the business, but deals still go very, very wrong, and I've been in the middle of some of them. Just one example of many: I was working for a trader and sold an eight-year-old Arabian mare do be a little girl's first horse. The parents came out and looked at her several times, the trainer came out and rode her, the girl loved her, everything was great. They bought the horse. I found out a month later that the mare had been diagnosed with a bad case of navicular and the vet had warned them never to ride her again. No one had known she had any problem. There was no dishonesty involved. She was not drugged or buted, she had not limped, I had noticed that she tripped occasionally but truly didn't think anything of it. They had the option of getting a PPE done but didn't think it was necessary. And they lost $2250 on an unrideable mare.
     
    01-26-2012, 04:44 PM
  #30
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Originally Posted by gunslinger    
It's still a crap shoot if you do see him, touch him, and ride him.

Many horses are drugged when shown, and then when you get them home, they often turn out to have a different temperament.

My suggestion is to stop by and see the horse several times, and if possible, stop in unannounced.
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Exactly, and bring knowledgeable eyes with you! A vet, farrier, trainer, riding instructor. The more the merrier! That will eliminate any wool pulled over the eyes. A horse is an investment.. you need to pick the right one for YOU.
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