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        11-02-2011, 11:15 AM
      #11
    Foal
    DraftysAireMum,

    I know, I've probably seen the kissing from the saddle somewhere. I might revisit those flicks for fun.

    Also, in the 5th century AD the stirrup was not yet used and saddles were wooden frames with blanketing. Women rode astride. The side saddle didn't come until later.

    The reason I like them on the horse with a stolen kiss is because they will be confronted by a jealous suitor who has followed them, but I can put them on the ground as well.When they hear approaching horses (bad guy doesn't ride alone) they can remount.

    Yes, my heroine has spunk, position and has been raised unconventionally more like a son. She is the only child of a senator. She loves horses and can ride really well (a personal fantasy unfulfilled). <g>
    Cinzia
         
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        11-02-2011, 12:33 PM
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    Originally Posted by cinzia8    
    The reason I like them on the horse with a stolen kiss is because they will be confronted by a jealous suitor who has followed them, but I can put them on the ground as well.When they hear approaching horses (bad guy doesn't ride alone) they can remount.
    Well, if you have a bad guy coming upon them in the forest, then both of them being on one horse would be a little awkward anyway. Lol If they were both on one horse and the bad guy rode up, the hero would have to put his lady back on her horse if they needed to get away (which it sounds like they would need to do...again, not reading the scene or knowing everything about it, I'm making some inferences). A horse carrying two adult riders wouldn't be able to go very far, and certainly not very fast, especially after just running a race through the forest in the snow (if you've ever tried running through the snow, it's like running through sand, especially if the snow is fairly deep).
         
        11-02-2011, 05:27 PM
      #13
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    Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
    Well, if you have a bad guy coming upon them in the forest, then both of them being on one horse would be a little awkward anyway. Lol If they were both on one horse and the bad guy rode up, the hero would have to put his lady back on her horse if they needed to get away (which it sounds like they would need to do...again, not reading the scene or knowing everything about it, I'm making some inferences). A horse carrying two adult riders wouldn't be able to go very far, and certainly not very fast, especially after just running a race through the forest in the snow (if you've ever tried running through the snow, it's like running through sand, especially if the snow is fairly deep).
    LOL Yes, I had him place her back on her horse when they heard the horses in the distance. He isn't a Roman and is a Frank German warrior and strong; so, with not much spatial thinking on my part, I was "swept away" with the notion. Of course this does make sense about the difficulty when I really started to think about it after reading the replies. I do like your suggestion and might go that route. They also, don't have to escape the suitor but need to confront him somewhat. For propriety sake, they must greet him on each of their own horses. The bad guy is the commander of the fort.<g>
         
        11-02-2011, 05:29 PM
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    Glad I could help.
         
        11-03-2011, 11:20 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
    Glad I could help.
    Thanks again to all for the insight. I definitely know where to come next time I have a question about riding and horses. Drafty, I don't want to go off topic, but what do you write?
         
        11-03-2011, 11:38 AM
      #16
    THN
    Foal
    You could have her horse slip and take a tumble. Being a gentleman he hops down to help her up, she checks horse to make sure its fine, he steals kiss, they hear incoming horsemen, and off they go.
         
        11-03-2011, 01:23 PM
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    Thanks again to all for the insight. I definitely know where to come next time I have a question about riding and horses. Drafty, I don't want to go off topic, but what do you write?
    It's your thread, so you can do what you want. To answer your question, though, I write mainly fantasy/sci fi and fan fiction. I've actually started a thread for fellow writers on here to converse and such: Any fellow writers out there? Feel free to join in.

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    Originally Posted by THN    
    You could have her horse slip and take a tumble. Being a gentleman he hops down to help her up, she checks horse to make sure its fine, he steals kiss, they hear incoming horsemen, and off they go.
    That's a workable idea, THN. So, there's two solid ideas for you, cinzia.
         
        11-12-2011, 06:32 AM
      #18
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    Romans were small, short. People way back were smaller in general. Somebody raised on a farm without mechanization could certainly pull a smaller person from a horse.
    Roman letters do mention giant Gauls often. Rome recruited locals as soldiers all the time.

    Access to easy food has made people larger in general. I'm 2 inches taller than my mother, she is 2 inches taller than her mother. My grandmother said she was a bit taller than her mother.

    Noble families would have been larger because of access to more food resources.

    Rome had a cavalry and it's larger horses were coveted by the native western european tribes who mostly had small sturdy pony types.

    Human strength? Just an observation I've noticed here time and time again. My husband was farm bred. Grew up on a dairy farm. Used draft horses often instead of tractors. Even with tractors there is a lot of heavy work. I have seen him move 500lb objects around by himself. Before I got old and fat he could easily heft my 5'4" body onto his shoulders and go. No grunting involved. I actually asked him once how the heck he moves some of the things he does and he told me most who grew up around here could do that. Mentioned HS gym class and the farm boys climbing the rope to the gym ceiling with ease where the town boys had to struggle.

    Armed forces and Police are routinely asked to move their own body weight in physical agility tests. Until arthritis got the best of my back even I could do it and did.

    Roman women in Rome probably didn't ride. Roman women on the frontier probably did ride. Survival makes you learn things. Old medieval literature often mentions noble women riding their palfrey. Palfrey being a gaited saddle horse.

    Jennet in the old literature refers to a small riding horse of spanish blood.

    My horses are outside running around more in winter until the snow is too deep.
    Most of Europe is warmer than the northern half of the US. France and England don't get the 4 month deep freeze I get in New England. Most of France and England compare to our USDA growing zones of 7 and 8. Parts of southern France even have a Mediterranean climate.

    Go with your story. It works just fine.
         
        12-05-2011, 12:30 PM
      #19
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    Sue,

    Sorry. I just saw your post. I came back to visit. I didn't see the email. Thanks for your insight. Your argument that a big guy who's spent his life wielding axe and sword, chopping wood and pitching hay might be able to lift a 100-110 pound woman on to his saddle just for a kiss is compelling. It certainly makes the revision process easier for me. Although there is no pommel, I'm know from my research that the saddles were in most cases wooden. This might be an "ouch" scenario. LOL I'm going to delve deeper into this.
    Thanks for your examples. Your weather comments ring true as well.

    Cinzia
         

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