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    11-06-2011, 05:01 AM
  #11
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
And that is not a problem :)
I could talk about D or R-line dressage horses all day, and have friends who prefer W lines and would rather talk that all day. No biggie, it's just conversation topic. Find something else to talk about if it bothers you that much
Its not that. Its just the fact that she was very rude and talked to me as if I didn't know anything.
     
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    11-06-2011, 05:14 AM
  #12
Trained
And?
You'll meet people like that all through life, not everyone is lovely and willing to throw rainbows and butterflies at you.
Time to move on...
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    11-06-2011, 05:20 AM
  #13
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
And?
You'll meet people like that all through life, not everyone is lovely and willing to throw rainbows and butterflies at you.
Time to move on...
Really?(sarcasm) I already knew that, and no I don't expect anyone to be nice or do anything, but it doesn't hurt to be respectful. I am able to move I just wanted to vent a little something that is all. I do indeed have bigger things on my mind.
     
    11-06-2011, 05:42 AM
  #14
Lis
Yearling
So? I watch a lot of horse racing and until I came to this forum I'd never heard of them. Like Faye off the top of my head Red Rum and Desert Orchid spring to mind so do Kauto Star, Long Run and Imperial Commander for current impressive racehorses. So she doesn't know about past great such as Eclipse etc some people only know the current ones and chances are I bet if she posted from the opposite view point she'd say you spoke to her like that as well and made her feel small because she didn't know some dead racehorses. You might not have intended to but I'd be willing to put money on it.
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    11-06-2011, 05:52 AM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Lis    
So? I watch a lot of horse racing and until I came to this forum I'd never heard of them. Like Faye off the top of my head Red Rum and Desert Orchid spring to mind so do Kauto Star, Long Run and Imperial Commander for current impressive racehorses. So she doesn't know about past great such as Eclipse etc some people only know the current ones and chances are I bet if she posted from the opposite view point she'd say you spoke to her like that as well and made her feel small because she didn't know some dead racehorses. You might not have intended to but I'd be willing to put money on it.
I actually didn't. I asked her if she did, she said she didn't. I then proceeded to tell her. I didn't talk to her in a condescending way, everytime she looked elsewhere or stopped paying attention I stopped talking. I don't expect everyone to know about them, if they don't, I will be happy to tell them.

I am sorry I even bothered with this post since, no one seems to be grasping the concept. Mods feel free to close it or whatever. Sorry for wasting everyone's time.
     
    11-07-2011, 02:34 PM
  #16
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I lived in Germany for about three years and there wasn't a whole lot to do on base. I was a girl scout and played soccer and softball. I had my riding lessons twice a week but that was it and summers were long. I remember I read every Hardy Boys book they had, plus the Fury of Broken Wheels. Then I found this HUGE book. I forget the exact name but it was something like 100 year history on Thourobred Horse Racing. I checked that book out so many times that the librarian made me leave it for one week just in case someone else wanted it. I kept it forever and read the articles over and over again.

All of the horses in it were dead and gone and I'm not sure it even coverd Secretariat. I live fairly close to the Meadow Event Park and I even have shown there several times. It's funny because I'm so not impressed by that stall they are claiming was his. He wasn't in that book that I read over and over and over again. I've read a gazillion stories on Man O War. I love that horse, he was my best friend while I was living in a strange country.

I haven't even seen the movie about Secretariat yet. I watched the one about Seabiscuit because he was in that book and he was related to Man O War and I love that story... The movie is a bit different from the books I've read. I could talk about Ruffian and Black Gold...

I see how you feel. I can't talk as much about the newer horses because I don't follow the races as closely. Barbaros story was on the history channel and it was pretty amazing, the love the owners had for him. I remember a lot of people said they kept him alive just to make a profit. I always thought, if that were true, wouldn't they have harvested seamon? Which they did not...

Secretariat never had any great children. They all kind of fizzled out. Man O war has a great line of offspring. It's interesting when you compare certain horses. Is one better than the other? I don't know. But I can feel the rant...

Of course... Your friend is probably thinking... you are talking about dead horses... who cares?....
     
    11-08-2011, 02:27 AM
  #17
Yearling
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Originally Posted by farmpony84    
I could talk about Ruffian and Black Gold...
Me too! I love Black Gold! I checked out a kid's book about him when I was in 5th grade and he has been one of my favorites ever sense. I also love Ruffian, I did a school project on her when I was a Junior in high school.

WildJessie I can understand your frustration. You thought you had a common interest but then she didn't know as much as you thought, and the conversation went south. It's a bummer when we find ourselves in theses situations.
     
    11-08-2011, 07:30 AM
  #18
Foal
Faye, nebo black magic is Sunny's grandsire :) (or great grandsire, I'd have to look at his passport to check)
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    11-08-2011, 09:04 AM
  #19
Green Broke
While you may only have the best intentions, explaining past racehorses to your friend is probably not coming across well. I know if one of my friends started explaining this I'd probably politely listen but inside I would be thinking "Why the hell are they telling me this? What could this possibly have to do with me/modern society/anything else?" If I wanted to learn about past racehorses, I'd look them up myself and learn about them, see pictures, actual information that I think is true, rather than a second hand account completely out of context.

Has it occurred to you that maybe your friend and her mother don't really care about racehorses (much less dead racehorses)? Maybe they have noticed that you do and are trying to find a topic that you would like to be included in, and this all they know? When I was a kid it used to happen all the time, if I met an adult who didn't know me they would tell me the random horse story of their lives, "a white arabian white stallion racehorse their father owned and tamed and that was 17hh" or something like that which pretty showed how little they knew about horses but I knew they were not trying to show off, they were making an effort to connect, so I didn't call them out saying "wouldn't be a white horse, would be grey, arabians don't really race in Australia, can't find them in the wild, aren't really that big etc" because I think that is rude. It is not my place to educate people unless they ask me to. If you notice, on this forum there are so many posts about unwelcome opinions, about horse people trying educate others when it is not their place.

I know you mean the best and are just wanting to share information but that hardly ever comes across well. I was the only horse crazy kid out of my friends as a child, but they tried to get into horses, would play horse games etc because I cared. I didn't realise it back then because people have a way of thinking that if you care about something everyone else does too. Your friend is making an effort, and sure she doesn't know about past racehorses, but who does? Why would anyone learn unless they were extremely interested in racehorses, which most people aren't? And I bet if she doesn't know about horses besides Zenyatta she wouldn't want to talk about them, because it can be embarrassing not knowing things, and you expecting her to.

I think the best thing to do in this situation is not to discuss racehorses. If she says something about Zenyatta (whoever that is) just say, oh yeah cool, and move on. If she pressures you for more say that you prefer to discuss more historical aspects of racing rather than just one horse. Then talk about the other topics you share in common.
     
    11-08-2011, 01:58 PM
  #20
Banned
The only big name in racing I'd ever heard of was Secretariat...imagine my surprise to find out that our OTTB is related to him. Lol.


It wasn't until I started looking up the other names in our boy's bloodline that I was aware he had other important horses in his family tree.

This may shock some,, but I'd never heard of my boy's famous ancestors like Native and Northern dancer. Had no idea that Count Fleet and War Admiral were important, let alone triple crown winners....and international superhorses like Ribot, and Ambiorix... of course his grandsire being Danzig meant nothing.

Of course, farther back in his lineage I found names like the Tetrarch and Man o War...

None of these rang any bells and I had no idea that they were legends until I researched them....guess I'm just not a racing fan. Still, it's fun to see who he is related to....but in general, talking about past racing superhorses just doesn't really interest me.

If you had tried to talk to me about racehorses before we bought our OTTB you would have thought me a complete moron.

Now if you tried to talk to me about racehorses, you would think I'm still a moron...though not a COMPLETE one.

Lol
     

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