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#1 ·
Hi guys
So as some of you know I've been trying to sell my horses for a while now and we had someone interested in the older one who now has her on trial.

We were told that she was 12 years old and was completely sound, in good health, ect. The only thing wrong was that she had bruised her heal so needed some bar shoes for a few months. When this person came to look at her she's thrown a shoe so we told her to get her farrier to re shoe her and we'd pay, so her farrier came today and we found out that she needs bar shoes otherwise she'll go lame so we were a bit shocked (Our farrier hasn't done her feet before he's just checked to shoes for us) and the woman said that she'd get her vet checked as well because she was quite sensitive by her withers and we got told that shes around 20 years old and she can only be used for light hacking with not much trotting and no cantering (although she quite happy to take off with me) because if you try anything else with her she will just go lame.

So at the moment my mum is really worried because if this is true then my grandad has wasted his money on a 'fantastic dressage horse' that I was going to re train for show jumping. He didn't have her vet checked because she was taken to a local livery yard full of his trustworthy friends who thought she was amazing. The people at the livery yard were very good friends with that last owners. But she's also worried that this might all be made up because the people loaning her keep on telling her to lower the price (£1000 including tack and rugs), we did have one of our friends come and look at her to determine her age and she said that she was about 8 and in thought that she was in good health as she was galloping around the field and jumping the logs.

Sorry it's long. So how much would you pay for a 15.3hh, 20 year old, irish draught x that can be used for light hacking only?
Thanks in advance
 
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#2 ·
No offense but I might pay $100 at most. The age doesn't matter. Its the light riding and lameness issues that throw up a huge red flag. You didn't mention her training or behavior... about the only thing id use her for is small kids but if she takes off on you then I'm not comfortable putting my kids on her. Sorry to say it but you got royally screwed. Good luck!

Piece of advice: get a vet out to confirm all that is being said... from age 8 to 20 is a huge difference besides the fact the lameness issue needs to be addressed BEFORE she goes lame for good. You also failed to mention what the cause of the lameness is.
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#3 ·
People are giving those types of horses away...With no-one to give them to. If you catch my drift.
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#4 ·
I'm sorry Links but I wouldnt pay anything for her at all if whats being said is true.
If you are concerned that they are trying to pull one on you then all you can do is ask a good horse vet to check her out for you and either confirm or dismiss the allegations
Honestly - given the problems you've had with this mare and the way the market is - I would cut my losses and let her go for whatever you can get
Sorry sweetie but you need to move on and give yourself a chance to start fresh with the right horse. Learn from these mistakes - we all make them, you aren't unique.
Let me know how you progress
 
#5 ·
Everything you described just puts up red flags all over the place. I'd have a PPE done and have the vet verify her rough age just to see. This horse sounds like it needs a lot of work, time and money. There are much better horses out there, check, check and check some more. You might look into your local rescues as well. Shoes, not to mention "special" shoes cost a lot and take attention.

Good luck!
 
#6 ·
The woman loaning her said that she wants her no matter what so that's why my mum thinks it might be fake as she is looking for a jumper for pony club. The good thing is that my grandad has finally said he doesn't care about the money as long as we find her a good home
 
#8 ·
She's good hacking out in a group and is normally alright on her own but she has reared when she got stuck between an idiot driver and a motorbike. She's trained in dressage and still remembers after 3 years of nothing, she can jump 2'9 with ease and her walk and trot are beautiful but she needs some schooling in canter as she's quite strong. She backs up because she doesn't like her bit and tosses her head a bit when you put the bridle on but other that that her ground manners are perfect.
I've never noticed her being lame after working even after dressage, jumping or cantering. I wish I could ride her but that incident with the car has just shattered my confidence
 
#9 ·
Sorry, but she isn't something I would invest in at all. I have enough pasture puffs.
Right now, there are horses are 5-15 years old that are sound with show experience being given away.
Even if you have never noticed her lame, not being able to pass a lameness or PPE is going to be a massive downfall.
I think the best thing for her, if you don't want to keep her, is to see if you can find a family with references that will use her.
 
#10 ·
SORRY - at work and read that wrong. Link I would be completely honest with any sellers. If you can get anything out of her, I would bet it would be close to nothing. That's just the truth. I would though have a vet come out and really give you the run down on her. It's easier to know her real and age and what's really wrong with her before you try and seller. Seems like you kind of know things about her, I would find out for sure and go from there.
 
#13 ·
Can you post pictures of her feet from the front and from the side? You are likely describing typical heel pain as in 'Navicular syndrome'. Most likely, keeping her toes very short and rolled will help more than bar shoes.

And by all means, get a different Vet's opinion. It would be nice to contact the Vet from the previous owner and see if this horse was actually diagnosed with any foot or leg problems. Aging a horse is not that difficult. Any good horse Vet or old horse trader should be able to do that for you.
 
#14 ·
I cant remember how the mare was passported - did it not give the previous owner on it or was she sold as 'from Ireland' where they didnt enforce them until 2011
Trouble is even if the potential buyer isnt being totally honest with you all the time you have the horse its costing you money to keep her
I'm attaching a link to some info on what they call the Galvaynes Groove on horses teeth - now its isnt 100% reliable but its does give a rough idea of age and is really simple for you to check yourself
Galvayne's Groove In Horses: Photos
 
#16 ·
Have you actually checked these people out?
I dont know what to say - you need to sell the horse and they might be your only chance but why would someone want to buy a horse with all those problems they are claiming to have found?
Your tack and rugs are probably worth nearly as much as they're offering.
Why not get her vet checked and put her in Leominster or Malvern sale if she does prove sound?
 
#19 ·
I know she might be the only one but I'm worried about what she's going to do with her. At first she said she was looking for something to do shows on and then she decided she was just going to hack and then when she came to to see her she said that she was going used in lessons for some beginner rider she knows. She keeps on changing what she's doing with her and complaining about the price. My grandad said that we might end up putting her in an auction or something but I'm not too keen as most of the horses end up going to slaughter.
My grandad was shocked to find out that the saddle is worth more than the actual horse

WSArabians- I think it's just her friends opinion
 
#18 ·
If its true your not going to get much at all. But red flags pop up when someone wants to buy a horse like that, I would have your vet look at her and determine if any of it is true or not.
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#22 ·
I'm so sorry you're in such a fix. I will tell you, over the years I've learned to get 2nd, 3rd and even 4th opinions. Call one of the big show barns and ask for a vet and farrier referral. Local vets who are not equine practitioners can seldom tell one end of the horse from another - hence the huge span of age remarks. Call a well respected *certified* farrier to check your horse's feet. It may cost a few more dollars but having a horse is a sacrifice and one that should be yours, not the horse's.

Lastly, a dressage horse does not a jumper make. Normally, if their is an especially talented jumper, he may also be retrained as a lower level dressage horse. Dressage is not an instant success thing but requires years and years of dedication. A horse that is already 12 does not have the time or strength left to make it to FEI.

I wish you well and hope you are willing to give your fellow a fair shake.
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#23 ·
Jaydee- She doesn't have an age in her passport that bits blank. The woman lives in Worcestershire and it takes nearly 2 hours to get there. My mum wants to sell her with her saddle because it's custom made for her.

Domino- She's not a fantastic show horse that's ever going to make it into some fancy competition. One of the past owners told us that she'd done a few advanced medium level (?) competitions on her but nothing special, this owner never jumped because she'd broken her back and was quite nervous. Then she was sold to the people before us and was used as a hack for a beginner and she was ridden once every few weeks. When I got her I was re training her to do some local jumping shows because I wanted to compete along side a friend (She does the 3ft classes I don't know what level that is).
The only thing I was uncomfortable with is her canter, I don't know how to explain it, it feels like she's throwing herself forward and then even when you slow her down there's something about it that makes me uncomfortable. She doesn't tense up or try to take control it might just be because I fell off that I don't feel happy with it.
 
#25 ·
Links -
I get the thing with the saddle, might be best to sell it with the horse if thats the case
1. I do know of some Worcestershire dealers - you could check her name off against Brightwells sales reports to see if it comes up regularly as thats most likely where she would sell if she is a dealer - I will post you a link
2. You should ask to be able to speak to both the farrier and the vet that made the claims against the horse as its legally yours you are entitled to do that. If you want to get a vet out there yourself to confirm I can give you the name of a very good horse practice that would probably cover that area
3. Accept the offer and walk away from it all - cut your losses
4. Tell her how much you are willing to accept, no negotiations and you want the horse back if she doesnt agree
5. Just a thought - I saw your ad. (on the website I suggested you try) and if you run down there is a 14.2 welsh cob type called Suzie that looks to belong to a trekking centre in Monmouthshire - they are considering an exchange for a bigger horse to suit all heights of rider that they can use for trekking - might suit your mare. A 14.2 like that would be a good size for you and at your age would allow you to compete in junior classes which IMO would be much better - also the size would be less intimidating
Wouldnt cost you anything to go and take a look!!!
 
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