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    09-21-2009, 01:36 AM
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I am really PO'D...for real..some people are liars

As some of you know...I had to send my horse to a trainer a couple of months ago. The trainer gave us (me and my sister) a discounted price of $400. Their website says the price is $500. Well the trainer ends up calling and saying that my horse threw both his shoes...so of course I wanted him to be shoed again and my sister had hers shoed too (just because it was getting close to time). Well I don't think to much more about it after that...although when we were given a bill, it did include shoes. So we have the farrier out again this week because my sisters horse was about to lose his shoes. Well while he was doing her horses hooves she asked him if he thought that they had been shoed late july early august (because it is unlike him to have fast growing hooves)...at first he said maybe...then once he pulled the shoes he said no way. Well nobody said anything about my horse or when he was supposedly shoed last. When the farrier got around to him his exact words were "Now you wanna talk about a horse that hasn't been shoed in a long time....this one hasn't" He also said that his feet were very uneven and that his knee cap didn't grow right when he was a baby. He said with those knees he needs to be shoed every six weeks and absolutely no later than 8. I am sooooo MAD!!!! I have been riding my horse DAILY on unbalanced feet that haven't been done in 15 weeks!!!!!!! The trainer did an excellent job with me and my horse...but I am so upset that she acted like my horse had been shoed when he had not been!!!!! I could have HURT him! What would you do?
     
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    09-21-2009, 08:49 AM
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Showing
First of all, I would demand my money back for the "shoeing". It seems that all the farrier did was to nail the shoes back on. Any competent trainer/horseman would know a good job from a schlock one and if they are satisfied with that, I would question their training altogether.
     
    09-21-2009, 10:24 AM
  #3
Yearling
I'm very sorry you're dealing with that. It's been my experience in the last year or so that people dealing with horses especially where money is involved, tend to be a bit like used car salesmen.

I would ask for your money back for sure.
     
    09-21-2009, 11:56 AM
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mls
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Originally Posted by sandy2u1    
So we have the farrier out again this week because my sisters horse was about to lose his shoes. Well while he was doing her horses hooves she asked him if he thought that they had been shoed late july early august (because it is unlike him to have fast growing hooves)...at first he said maybe...then once he pulled the shoes he said no way. Well nobody said anything about my horse or when he was supposedly shoed last. When the farrier got around to him his exact words were "Now you wanna talk about a horse that hasn't been shoed in a long time....this one hasn't" He also said that his feet were very uneven and that his knee cap didn't grow right when he was a baby. He said with those knees he needs to be shoed every six weeks and absolutely no later than 8. I am sooooo MAD!!!! I have been riding my horse DAILY on unbalanced feet that haven't been done in 15 weeks!!!!!!! The trainer did an excellent job with me and my horse...but I am so upset that she acted like my horse had been shoed when he had not been!!!!! I could have HURT him! What would you do?

First question - is the farrier at the trainer the same farrier you normally use?

Second question - is this farrier the same one that has been seeing your horse while you have owned it?
     
    09-21-2009, 02:29 PM
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Thanks everyone for you comments. Should I take it up with the barn owner or the trainer? We did all our communications through the trainer, but of course, she was employed by the BO? I wish I had not been so trusting and just assumed it had been done...I should have checked.
First question - is the farrier at the trainer the same farrier you normally use? No, they used their own farrier.
Second question - is this farrier the same one that has been seeing your horse while you have owned it?
This is the first time I have used this particular farrier.
     
    09-21-2009, 02:34 PM
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mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by sandy2u1    
Thanks everyone for you comments. Should I take it up with the barn owner or the trainer? We did all our communications through the trainer, but of course, she was employed by the BO? I wish I had not been so trusting and just assumed it had been done...I should have checked.
First question - is the farrier at the trainer the same farrier you normally use? No, they used their own farrier.
Second question - is this farrier the same one that has been seeing your horse while you have owned it?
This is the first time I have used this particular farrier.
So you are dealing with two completly new farriers? And you are ready to automatically take the word of the new farrier?

If it had truly been 15 weeks since your horse was trimmed, you would know it. As far as the knee cap and 6-8 week trim/reset - it has nothing to do with the knee cap. Horses should be seen every 6-8 weeks when they are shod. Winter they can typically go 8-10 and summer sometimes need to be reset as soon as 4.

I truly would approach the conversation with the trainer an open mind and not automatically take the word of the new farrier.
     
    09-21-2009, 03:15 PM
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I would think you would have been able to tell if your horse was freshly shod or not, or had he been in training where you did not see him?

Don't jump to believe that first farrier by the way, remember farriers are not always as trained as you would think. Some are not even certified. Also, they can be a member of the american farriers association w/out having a ton of knowledge. Not saying anything AGAINST this farrier and not defending that trainer... just saying, don't beat yourself up too quickly.
     
    09-22-2009, 11:38 PM
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Well the day after the shoeing at the trainers, we were supposed to go out and ride, but the trainer canceled on us. It was another week before we went out so the nails would not have looked shiny and new. I am very ashamed to say that I did not look at his feet and make sure that he had been shoed. I know it was foolish. The new farrier came out to the barn and shoed 6 horses. He had nothing negative to say about the other 4 he shoed. With my horse we didn't tell him anything about him. Also, with my sisters, when he was shoeing him, at first while my sisters horse had his shoes on, he said he could have been done in July...once he pulled the shoe, he said no way. He cut a huge amount of shoe off (which I still have my horses) and that really makes me think they weren't done while they were away. What the farrier meant when he said my horse should be shoed every 6-8 weeks is that I should not go over that time...even when he doesn't really appear to need them. My horse holds shoes well and doesn't have particularly fast growing feet so there have been times that he has gone more like 9 or 10. It's not because I don't care though...it's because his feet just look so good.
     
    09-23-2009, 07:19 AM
  #9
Green Broke
Also, while its not a good thing for the trainers to do, if you are happy with their training be careful not to burn your bridges.

Flat out accusing them is going to ruin any further positive interaction. You never know what happened, they could have called their farrier in and he did the horses on a list thinking he was only meant to replace the shoe - or something could have happened. Even a communication break down.

I'd either let it go if you are happy with the training and maybe want to use them again - and if you use them again be very mindful about the feet when checking on them - or call them and just mention that your farrier had thought that the feet looked very overdue and you were concerned that your horse might have missed his shoeing. Ask them some questions and see what they have to say. Often under pressure people may give an answer - she might say "oh maybe he slipped through, we'll check" or something. Communicate through the person you have communicating through all along.
     
    09-24-2009, 02:25 AM
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Well, when I sent my horse I couldn't ride him at all and now I can. I got exactly what I wanted. However, if she did lie about my horse having been shoed then I wouldn't want to hire her again....that tells me that she is dishonest and doesn't have the horses best interest at heart. On the other hand, you all did bring up some good points about me not really knowing the farrier the information came from...although he did come highly recommended. He did cut off a pretty good sized piece of hoof though and they look good (not to short or anything). He seemed to think there is no way those horses could have been shoed when they were supposed to have been. I feel like he wouldn't have said that if he didn't feel sure about it. Could it be that the trainers farrier did that lousy of a job? They have so many horses there that it would seem that they would have to have a good farrier.
Thank you all for your comments. All points of view are much appreciated!
     

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