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    09-08-2009, 08:16 PM
Okay, I got the videos. The one of us cantering shows a little bit of his mind set at the end. I know I'm pretty bouncy, but he's kind of rough and I'm still getting adjusted. I just want opinions on the horse... and I guess me too, but more so Toughy

& in the last one, I'm know I'm pulling on his mouth pretty good there at the end but he just would NOT stop. I'd pull back, and he'd pull his head forward, making it worse for himself. He's a weird horse.

EDIT: Ignore the people talking in the background, just turn the sound off. The girl recording was answering a phone call :)
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    09-08-2009, 09:39 PM
Green Broke
One thing I am concerned about is that horses bit (from my little youtub box it looked like one of those western bits with the long things) - i'm not a western rider but I was under the impression that they were meant to be ridden without, or with minimal, contact. For a young horse coming into work and a rider inexperienced at riding a horse like it I would use a snaffle.

If you pull against the reins to stop them they often lean against the pull and don't stop - which is why continuous pulling does not work. Half halts, strong seat and legs usually work just as well. If the horse refuses to stop instead of just pulling (which is just going to harden his mouth and teach him to pull) I would turn him in a small circle on an open rein. Not like a really small one - maybe 15 metres, and then sit back and squeeze on the reins and use your seat and give the aids to stop (which he is much likely to listen to when he is unable to just pull and run) and if he still doesn't slowly spiral in.

One of my horses used to lean when I tried to pull him when we were out so when I felt he was just leaning against I would just suddenly give him heaps of head, he would often lose his balance temporarily, but then I could pull him up. Not saying you should do this with this horse but pulling doesn't really slow them down.
    09-08-2009, 10:08 PM
Thank you for the reply! The bridle isn't mine, it's Erin's. However, I am looking at head stalls and was just about to make a topic about bits. Any specific kind of snaffle I should get him?

I can't seem to understand WHY he won't stop though. Is it because he gets so worked up and excited? And when you say use my legs, as in, push against his sides?

How did we look together? *sheepish face* :)
    09-09-2009, 04:36 AM
will you be having lessons on him with your instructor ?
if so the leg cues, bending, flexing etc . . . Will come in time, after all - that's what instructors are for =]

as for the videos, he looks lovely =D I can see what you mean about he can walk, trot and canter but isn't trained in a specific discipline - but that's the most fun part !!

you two look fine together and with some training & bonding you'll be great together !!

p.s. He's also very pretty which always helps ! Haha
    09-09-2009, 04:51 AM
oh yes, for the snaffle i'd go for something loose ring with either a french link or a lozenge, obviously, you might have to try a few different bits to see which one he goes best in

my youngster has just come out of a full cheeck snaffle with a lozenge and has now got a loose ring with the same mouth piece , a bit like this :

i usually go for Dorado bits (similar to a lot of others on the market nowadays, here is a little description I found on a website - Dorado is a rust free metal, nickel-free alloy with a high copper content which gives a warmer feel and stimulates salivation) - just as an example

hope all of my ramblings help haha
    09-09-2009, 05:38 AM
Green Broke
I use a KK training bit which is basically the bit that Hollybee showed you, I generally use plain metals but that's just because of what I am used to.

If you get nervous when he runs of and you clamp on or tense up he could think that you want him to run on.

Also, stopping when pressure is applied to the mouth is a trained response, so it could just be that he doesn't quite understand. Either way, letting him run on is not a good option.

Also, I don't know what you do generally, but just riding around an area that big isn't going to do much. Its just like riding out but in an enclosed space. I would work on 20 - 30 metre circles, with a lot of transitions. Start with the walk/halt ones and get it so that when you sit back, half halt and then give you cue for halt he stops, there shouldn't be pulling or fighting or running on. Get it going on the ground if he doesn't respond straight up. Then get into walk/trot and trot/halt, it is important that he learns to accept basic aids and the bit before continuing on to further training. Also, serpentines, little circles, lots of bending and flexing is good as well. This will get him supple as well as thinking.

Really consider changing the bit though. He doesn't need anything harsh and it can ruin a horse.

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