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        08-14-2008, 05:03 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Erin_And_Jasper, the stud chain is not put in the mouth. It does not hurt the horse at all, it just gives you more power.

    The way I use it is I put it through the halter.

    Look it up to see how to do it, I cannot explain it in words.

    Never under any circumstances punish a horse for spooking. Then they will spook more, as they now relate that as a punishment and whatever they were originally scared of.
         
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        08-14-2008, 05:22 PM
      #12
    Yearling
    I'm only 5'2 and I used to try and lead my 17.3h Hanovarian, well he used to like to randomly take off like ur horse does and I only weigh 103lbs so no matter how hard I tried to hold on and how much rope burn I got I still couldnt keep him from doing it and it had to do with respect.

    Soo... my trainer told me to put the chain over his nose under the halter and also take a dressage whip with me, everytime he tried to walk a little past me i'd yank on his nose and if that didnt work i'd yank again and pop his chest with the dressage whip.

    There was one time he really tried to take off and I jerked him and he kept pulling so I chased him backwards with the whip and kept making him go backwards till I LET him stop showing that I was the boss.

    This shows them ur the boss and they cannot make the decisions and run you over, needless to say after doing that for about a week or two I could walk with right next to me even with his huge stride he'd shorten it so that he never walked in front of me and never took off from me again.

    Even my trainers husband who is a huge guy and weighs close to 300lbs couldnt get him to listen as well as I did.

    This carried over into our riding and he was a perfect little angel.

    I used to feel bad about doing it but my trainer reminded me, nothing i'm doing is uncalled for and i'm not abusing him and I cannot be hurting him nearly as bad as one of his pasture mates when they get in a fight.

    So hope you try this and hope it works for you because it really worked for me.
         
        08-14-2008, 05:33 PM
      #13
    Showing
    You have gotten some good advise but I'm going to take a different position - one that you may not like but it's one that I would give my daughter.

    Sell her and move on to a horse you can handle. There are a lot of good horses out there that may suit you better and I would buy one of those before I would let my daughter get hurt trying to handle a horse that she can't.
         
        08-14-2008, 06:06 PM
      #14
    Foal
    If this is the second horse that has started this I think you need to look at what you personally are doing. If you are timid you need to learn not to be so afraid of confronting and punishing your horse for unacceptable behavior. It is NOT appropriate or safe for your horse to be bolting but I would guess that this has progressed from minor behavior that you let go, to running off because she knows she can. Selling her on is up to you and your parents, but if you don't take steps to be in better control of your horses it's likely that any future horses will learn that they, too, can walk all over you.

    You need to learn to detect and stop any bad behaviors before they start.

    And don't worry about not being strong enough to hold her. It isn't brute strength that allows us to control animals but our intelligence. There is no way you will ever win a battle of strength with this mare, but you can win a battle of wits.
         
        08-15-2008, 10:19 AM
      #15
    Foal
    Arrow - The trouble is, I feel like she is the perfect match for me, all exept for this problem. I just don't know any more.

    ParkerHorseRanch - I'm not using a bit. She doesnt bolt when I ride her, it's when I lead her in from the field.

    Vidaloco - Thanks, I'll try that. =]

    Inthesaddle - I don't think anything is spooking her. I honestly think she's taking advantage rather than getting scared. There's no way she could be scared of the gate, nothing scary has ever happened to her around it.

    KirstiArndt - Thanks. What exactly is a stud chain though? I've heard of them but I don't think I've ever seen one before...

    FoxyRoxy - Thanks, I might try that.

    Iridehorses - Thank you. You've given me one of the most honest answers so far. My mum is really pushing for me to sell her, and to get lessons at the local school until I'm absolutely 100% confident. In alot of ways I think it would help, and I think it's a good idea. But I can't help thinking I shouldn't give up on her. I'm torn between my head and my heart. >_<

    Starrynight - With all due respect, I know that Charlie wasnt my fault. He was awful from the start. He was recommended by a friend of a friend as a really calm, bombproof beginners pony, we suspect the owners sedated him before we came to see him, and stupidly we only went once and didnt ask for a trial. I'll accept the possibility that Bonnie acting up is my fault, but not Charlie.
         
        08-15-2008, 10:52 AM
      #16
    Weanling
    STUD CHAIN=it is a chain on a lead that hooks through the halter and as above NEVER used inside the mouth-it can loop under the chin and attach on the other side =if you don't have a head tosser or up and over the nose if your horse is a head tosser or tends to be head sensitive. Mostly the jiggle and slight pressure of it is enough but please please please don't use a stud chain or any new equipment without someone physically showing you how-
    With Sonny who is a draft cross and I am 100 lbs-one quick snap and release of pressure is all it takes-not constant pull or rubbing or jerking of the chain on tender face or jaw.

    Like everything else it is a tool in the right hands and a weapon in the wrong. I had a trainer show me correct use before I put my hands on it as I am not as experienced as some of you-it works wonders with sonny
         
        08-16-2008, 01:16 AM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 3llie
    starrynight - With all due respect, I know that Charlie wasnt my fault. He was awful from the start. He was recommended by a friend of a friend as a really calm, bombproof beginners pony, we suspect the owners sedated him before we came to see him, and stupidly we only went once and didnt ask for a trial. I'll accept the possibility that Bonnie acting up is my fault, but not Charlie.
    fair enough. Good luck with whatever your decision is :)
         

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