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post #1 of 20 Old 06-28-2013, 10:49 AM Thread Starter
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I feel like Stacy Westfall in comparison to .....

So I have moved my two horses to a new "boarding" place. I say "boarding" in quotations because it's not really a boarding barn; the lady just likes having people around to ride with on her 160+ acres she has.

Really, really nice lady. And a decent place at that too. But I have found it interesting that she relies on her teenage boys and her husband to do everything around the place including fix fence and dig the outdoor arena. I guess as long as it gets done, I don't care, but I just feel like when I have my own place someday, you can bet your dollar I"m going to be out there doing it, and not my non-horsey husband.

Anyway, but the part that makes me feel like "the smartest person in the room" is compared to the other boarders. Now, I am not a know-it-all in any way, shape, or form. I can name TONS of people who know much more about horses than I do. But .......

One guy (we'll call him "Bob") boards his horses just in the summer. He rides "heels up" in tennis shoes. He sits lopsided to the right on his horse. He has the single most worst fitting saddle I've ever seen (when he is not sitting on the horse, the back of the saddle is raised a good 6 inches in the air off the horse). Both his horses have foundered but yet they aren't on any special diet or getting any special care (just on GREEN pasture 24/7). He rides in a mechanical hackamore (not itself a bad thing) but with the halter underneath that is interferring with the action of the hackamore.

***face palm***

I've not said a word to him about his riding habits, and I am not going to because it is not my place.

Then another lady that boards there (we'll call her "Jill"). She has two horses. One bucked her off last summer and broke 9 of her ribs. So she is understandably a very NON-confident rider. The horse that bucked her off has horrible ground manners. Bob tries to help Jill with her horses. Bob can't even get the horse to back up and get out of his space. Hops on the horse's back last night. We're all sitting around chatting, a couple of us drinking a beer, and I've finally got to say something after witnessing all this different stuff for the past 2 weeks.

So I said what I would do if I had a horse that wouldn't back up on the ground. Then the owner of the whole place (let's call her "Mary") said "Yea, and last time I had to load him, he would not load and he ended up cutting open his chest because we had such a struggle." I'm thinking no wonder; this horse has no sense of respect or ground manners.

So Bob hops on the horse. And he starts asking me how leg aids work, because the horse was supposedly trained for them. Which I explained. Bob is continuing to just putz with the horse nearby on the lawn and then he asks me how to keep the horse from backing up when he applies leg pressure to ask him to go forward? I could clearly see this whole time he's just hanging on the reins, and this horse is getting frustrated. So I told him, some horses are trained that when you apply rein pressure and leg pressure, they will back up. So you need to let go of his mouth if you want him to go forward. Later Bob commented on how he was on the horse's mouth, so I guess he at least understood that.

Then Bob hops onto Jill's other horse that is "too much horse" for her. She's had him for 6 months and has ridden him 3 times. The horse has ONE shoe on its back foot. Both her horses are in need of a trim. The farrier is coming today. When Mary asks if Jill wants her horses trimmed she says no, they were just done last time so they are okay yet. (I can see they are not.)

Anyway, so Bob is on Jill's other horse now. They put a Tom Thumb in his mouth. The horse's nose is in the air the whole time, with his mouth gaping. He even almost put Bob into the dirt because Bob is hanging on his mouth like he was on the other horse. I asked Jill if she always rides this horse in that bit? She said yes, but then asked if she should be using something else. I told her that the TT is a piece of garbage and should be thrown away. And told her why. She then wanted to switch the bit, but Bob just kept riding him. (Remember, Bob is wearing tennis shoes like he always does). Then Jill got on her other horse (That Bob just rode) in her shorts and FatBaby (non-riding boots).

Okay, and I'm just going to stop story telling at this point.

I'm no Stacy Westfall .... not even the slightest bit close ...... but I kinda feel like it at this place. Really nice people and I do like it here, but wow, I guess I've never hung out with such a NON-horse savvy bunch. Kinda feel sorry for those horses in particular.
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post #2 of 20 Old 06-28-2013, 11:10 AM
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you can't fix Stupid...

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Nope.... especially by sitting around thinking about how amazing you are.

Ever consider that your BO may not physically be able to do manual labor? My husband literally sat and watched me and his BOSS stack an entire Winter's worth of hay last night. Very large, very physically fit guy..... but he has 2 completely torn tendons in his arm which although is not physically apparent forced him to sit, watch and make jokes. His boss was so concerned that he would help and injure himself further, that he came to do it himself.

This is actually the first time I've ever done much for manual labor. I have multiple chronic illnesses (which are not physically apparent) and my husband would rather I save my energy for riding, washing his laundry and cleaning house. He takes fabulous care of our property and I do not allow him and his ability to turn underwear pink in my laundry room!

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Nope.... especially by sitting around thinking about how amazing you are.

Ever consider that your BO may not physically be able to do manual labor? My husband literally sat and watched me and his BOSS stack an entire Winter's worth of hay last night. Very large, very physically fit guy..... but he has 2 completely torn tendons in his arm which although is not physically apparent forced him to sit, watch and make jokes. His boss was so concerned that he would help and injure himself further, that he came to do it himself.

This is actually the first time I've ever done much for manual labor. I have multiple chronic illnesses (which are not physically apparent) and my husband would rather I save my energy for riding, washing his laundry and cleaning house. He takes fabulous care of our property and I do not allow him and his ability to turn underwear pink in my laundry room!

Everyone does things differently and YOUR way is not necessarily the BEST way.
Whoa, chill out. I am not God's gift to earth and I'm sorry if my post came across that way. I was just sharing/venting, or whatever you want to call it. They have asked me for my advice on various occasions, and I have given it to them. Otherwise, as I've said, I've pretty much kept my mouth shut because they're not my horses. There was a time when I didn't know any better too. But there's a lot of things I DO know better about now. But you never stop learning.

The owner herself told me she does not know how to run the tractor and she does not know how to fix fence (hence why the husband and boys do it). I have no reason to believe it's a matter of physical illness or issue. And that's fine if that's how her place runs. As I already said, I don't care how they do things as long as what needs to get done, gets done. I only bring up the fence issue because one side of fence in the pasture my two horses are in, the top wire is barbed wire and it is loose. In a couple places, it is barely higher than my horse's knees. The first day I brought them I checked out the pasture and I pointed it out to her right away and asked her to fix it. Well that was almost 2 weeks ago. I asked her again about it a couple days ago, and I volunteered to fix it myself if she gives me the tools/materials. Her husband has been working a lot lately, but she said he'd get to it this weekend. I was simply saying that I would fix my own fence if it were my place. Obviously people do have different situations and do things differently.

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<snip>Nope.... especially by sitting around thinking about how amazing you are. <snip>

<SNIP> Everyone does things differently and YOUR way is not necessarily the BEST way. <snip>
Wow, where did you get EITHER of those ideas from. You may want to reread that post. /sheesh


Beau, I know EXACTLY what you mean. I have boarded at both public and private barns for most of my life, and have seen some pretty "interesting" ideas of how horses should be taken care of and/or ridden.
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I don't know how to run our tractor and any "fence-repair" I do is ghetto at best and only serves to keep the fence in functional condition until the husband *really* fixes it. Sure, I can go cap a post or replace a missing clip but that's about my limit. Most fence repairs take two people so it's not like I could repair it without the hubby anyways.

Why would you bring horses to a boarding facility with loose barbed wire!? You just moved there, why didn't you inspect the fences and request a repair BEFORE you moved in!? If I toured a facility with barbed wire that was falling down, I would assume that what I was seeing is what I was going to get. Loose fencing that they may or may not get around to repairing. Besides, even if she repaired fences herself, whose to say she'd be any faster!
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I don't know how to run our tractor and any "fence-repair" I do is ghetto at best and only serves to keep the fence in functional condition until the husband *really* fixes it. Sure, I can go cap a post or replace a missing clip but that's about my limit. Most fence repairs take two people so it's not like I could repair it without the hubby anyways.

Why would you bring horses to a boarding facility with loose barbed wire!? You just moved there, why didn't you inspect the fences and request a repair BEFORE you moved in!? If I toured a facility with barbed wire that was falling down, I would assume that what I was seeing is what I was going to get. Loose fencing that they may or may not get around to repairing. Besides, even if she repaired fences herself, whose to say she'd be any faster!
Again, you really need to REREAD the first post. /sheesh

Sorry OP, loved the story, I'm out of this thread before I get snotty at someone.
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I understand where you're coming from, Beau.

As unfortunate as the situation is, I think it's pretty wonderful that you're willing and able to share information with other horse owners with less knowledge and exprience than yourself, and that they're actually receptive to it! Clearly, you're contributing to some positive change around there.

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I don't know how to run our tractor and any "fence-repair" I do is ghetto at best and only serves to keep the fence in functional condition until the husband *really* fixes it. Sure, I can go cap a post or replace a missing clip but that's about my limit. Most fence repairs take two people so it's not like I could repair it without the hubby anyways.

Why would you bring horses to a boarding facility with loose barbed wire!? You just moved there, why didn't you inspect the fences and request a repair BEFORE you moved in!? If I toured a facility with barbed wire that was falling down, I would assume that what I was seeing is what I was going to get. Loose fencing that they may or may not get around to repairing. Besides, even if she repaired fences herself, whose to say she'd be any faster!
You need to calm down and stop assuming things about me.

I did see the place before I moved in. I know several people who know her well, and everyone spoke highly of her that I talked to. (Word of mouth is important to me.) The majority of the fences are just fine. Yes, there is a place here and there on some of the fence lines that have barbed wire. Is it my first choice of fencing? Absolutely not. But I grew up on my parents place with my horses there for 25 years with barbed wire on all fences. Yes, had some injuries over the years. It happens. But they can get hurt on smooth wire too (had that happen this year in January). She's giving my horses special treatment, which is very nice of her, by putting them in the closest pasture by themselves, instead of with the other horses, so that they are close by for me because I ride every day. She hasn't had horses in that pasture for a couple years so that's the one side needs a little work. The other sides are all fine. It's nothing that can't be fixed. It just needs to be stretched and tightened. And yes, I assumed full risk and responsibility by moving my horses in before the fence was fixed. But she did say they would fix it, and when it wasn't done after a week, I just simply asked her again about when she expected to get it done. And I know it will get done eventually (like I said, I asked around on her before deciding to board my horses there). I'm Type A, so for me, it would have gotten done instantly. But I know not everyone is Type A like me.

I can and do fix fence by myself. Have done it for years. I grew up on a farm/ranch so it was kind of a necessity. But I know not everyone has that background.

Okay and now I'm going to stop defending myself, because it's kind of ridiculous.
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I understand where you're coming from, Beau.

As unfortunate as the situation is, I think it's pretty wonderful that you're willing and able to share information with other horse owners with less knowledge and exprience than yourself, and that they're actually receptive to it! Clearly, you're contributing to some positive change around there.
I kinda wish they would ask me more questions, LOL, because I like teaching others about stuff like that. I'm not a teacher by career or anything like that, but I do enjoy explaining things to people, especially when its about my favorite subject (horses!). Four of us went out riding together and it was so nice to just have the horsey conversation the whole time. I can talk horses to my husband but he probably just glosses it over because he's "non-horsey", haha.

It's taken me a long time to learn the things I know (and trust me, I've still got a looooong way to go) and I've had to put forth the effort to find learning opportunities, but it sure would have been nice if someone would have educated me on some of this stuff a long time ago!
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