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I found out my horse was an unrideable rodeo horse

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five months ago I unkowingly bought a deemed unrideable, unsound, ex rodeo horse advertised as broodmare or riding horse. The seller completely lied to me because she was sold the horse only because, this horse was to never be ridden. This criminal of a woman bought the horse for 300$ and sold her to me for 1200 $. Money isnt the point here though,i rode and trained this horse for 5 months. I never knew the horses history, I will never make this mistake again. I took such good care of the horse teeth done.vaccinated, regulary wormed, feet in good condition, saddle fitted and rode in gentle bit. I got a well known vet to check the horse and do flexion tests no lameness. I got the horse many massages by a myotherapist and got a vet out which discovered the horse may have had ulcers I treated the ulcers. No vet told me the horse may have been unsound. Today a girl whos sister had also loved this horse and bought her as a beginer horse for 3,500$ told me all about the horse. How they had the horse and she was good at the start but randomly started bucking by about a couple of months than it.got worse they got a trainer, and the horse nearly killed the trainer she tried to flip on him and repeatedly tried to throw her body onto the walls the trainer was nearly impailed on a post. The trainer who was a very experienced breaker, worked for months on the horse but she didnt improve. They looked after her really well like I had. When I had jazzy she did the occasional rear or pigroot, she really trusted me and I trusted her. I loved her and than after some months she was really good you could jump her, walk, trot canter and trail ride. But i was on a ticking time bomb after a break she was a rodeo horse when you asked for the canter so I only walked and trotted her two weeks ago she did a massive rear and I thought enough is enough. I blamed myself for when she reared or bucked, I thought it must all be my fault . Fancy my first horse being a rodeo one, the poor horse going from dealer to dealer I will be keeping her at a friends farm she will still get.good care but she will never be sold again, if I really want another horse in future I will put her to sleep if I cant find a forever home as a pet, because imagine this story happening the third time ... Im lucky I never fell of this horse its a miracle.

Im in such shock and disbolief but its completely true the past owners recognised her name, details, and photos and also told me how she got a scar on her eye by slaming herself into the walls when the trainer was riding her. they also told me the name of the lady they sold the horse to as a broodmare and I know the ladies name.
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It sounds like you were able to get through to get fit a little while. Why give up on her if you were able to have a few good riders? You kept improving, took a break and she went off again? Sorry, your vent I'd hard to read. Why not just keep working with her if you made such progress once already
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I'm kind of scared because this kind of sounds like a mare I had a few years ago.... Owner sold her to us, well, my mom, for $1,000. When we worked with her on the ground she was completely fine. Then mom took her to a colt starting clinic to start her, and that's where we found out she was a rodeo horse. I don't know exactly how they found out, but when they put the cinch on her she went into a huge bucking fit and did big huge bad bucks like what a rodeo horse does. Against my will she was sold.. But I tracked her down. All I know though is that she had gone through auction to a lady who I believe used her as a broodmare for a time, then she was sold again.
 
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A horse has a hard time rearing if you are quick to sense it is coming. A horse needs both hind feet firmly planted, rocks back the lifts it's front end. Before it rears the rider will fee the body widen as the horse bunches it's body. This is when the rear has to be diffused by making the hind end move laterally. Pulling the head around to make a tight circle encourages the horse to move it's butt around. Use your inside leg to encourage this or the smack of a riding crop behind your leg to make it hustle. Don't quit until he's begging to stop. Don't pet him but ask him to walk on as tho nothing happened. You'll have made him very uncomfortable and he's tired. A horse's body/legs are designed for forward movement in a fairly straight line and when asked for tight circles, his legs tire quickly.
 
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I recently saw a lady violently bucked off of her horse. It is a wonder that she was not killed. She said that she rode the horse a few days before that in a round pen, bareback, with just a halter. Anyway, I drove 1/2 a mile, found the horse, caught her, untacked her, and put her up. The saddle pad was thin and worn. The saddle was ill fitted. The worse thing was that she had a long shanked curb bit that was as thin as a razor. I think that she hurt the horse so badly when it moved forward that the mare just acted on her instinct to try to stop the pain.

Just because a horse has bucked doesn't mean that it is destined to be bad. If you have been riding the horse and enjoying her, it sounds like she is the type of horse that can't be put away in the pasture for months on end without riding, but I doubt that she is a "bad" horse.
 
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I would never call her a bad horse because I love her, but she nearly killed a professional trainer by flipping on him and slamming herself up into walls.
 
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THIS is why purebred dog breeders keep selling sicks puppies to suckers. I am very glad that she has not hurt you, yet. Honestly, I would put this horse down and stop wasting money on her. There are MANY, MANY horses with good minds and good builds that NEED HOMES. Some of them may need retraining to do your sport, or just some retraining to fix FIXABLE problems, like...maybe work on their leads, or getting over some fears like gaining confidence to jump. When I taught lessons with my own horses, I would buy and sell horses that wouldn't turn around quickly, and keep the ones that had willing temperaments and trained in quickly. That is why I have bought ~35 horses in the last 28 years, and only owned 5 horses at any one time.
One hospital stay and possibly a permanent injury and you will have to get rid of her, and you may never ride again. Simple as that.
Take that word "forever home" out of your vocabulary. There is no "forever home" for a dangerous horse, and unfortunately, there a few forever homes for the good mount who has gotten old and DESERVES a good home, but the owner sells them to buy something younger. This dangerous horse is draining your bank account. I guess if you LIKE that, go for it, but I wouldn't.
 
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Im never going too ride the horse again, for the moment my dads keeping her because he wants to sue angela the lady who sold her to me knowing the horse was unsound and unridable.
 
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I agree with Corporal all the way.

You should have seen the horse ridden at all paces before you bought her and should have made an offer rather than paying the price asked.

Not the woman's fault you paid her more than she paid for the animal. That, my dear is business

In future be aware of 'caveat emptor' Latin for 'buyer beware.'
 
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If you had bothered to read the post in New to Horses, that is pinned, Thinking of buying a horse? Then you would, if you had taken anything in, not have bought this horse.
The people are dealers, they say so by exchanging horses and what they sell. You can bet your bottom dollar that they had tried the horse or knew its history.

I know of two ex top bronc horses from the USA that made international show jumpers when they finished with rodeo.
 
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If she has good ground manners there's no reason she has to be a pet only. You could sell her as a broodmare (giving full disclosure of her problem under saddle) or teach her to drive.
 
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I don't think this mare should be used as a broodmare. Horses that are unable to perform the job they were bred to perform due to a potentially dangerous habit or inherited genetic condition should not be allowed to pass those genes on. Just because it has a uterus does not mean is has to have a foal. There needs to be a greater standard than a working reproductive tract for foaling.

OP I think you need to take this mare to an experienced and trusted person for evaluation. It may be you it may be the mare. I had one trainer tell me my good mare was "going to kill someone and should be sold". We got a second opinion because it did not add up with our experiences with this mare. The second opinion told us that they could not get the mare to misbehave. This "testing" included a trail ride through an area that had been in a forest fire 24 hours before hand, the trainer said trees were still smoking. We come to find out that the first trainer had a drug problem.

If the second opinion agrees that the mare is not safe to ride than yes put her down and find a new horse. You are doing her a greater service than those before you have done.
 
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Does this horse have good ground manners?

If a horse is only dangerous under saddle, why put her down? You could always, like you said, keep her as a pet, or you could sell her as companion horse, or you could do something else with her, like liberty work on the ground, teach her to drive, or anything else, that doesn't involve riding.

A horse shouldn't be put to death for something that can be avoided, like riding... There are MANY other things you can do with this horse to keep her occupied, without killing her, so if she isn't in pain, and isn't dangerous on the ground, there is no reason she should be put down.
 
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I wouldnt regret what I went through because I managed this horse well I was able to stop her bucking, rearing and bolting which is why she turned out allright before having a break. But I have definately learnt many valuable lessons with this horse and the owners way before me are happy the horse they loved is in good hands. so if I look at the positives im very happy for being alive and not injured. And this horse did improve with me and trust and she still does, previouse owners are happy she wont end up abused again as I said I would have her pts before selling her.
 
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There were red flags all over the place. You were aptly warned by this forum.
You ignored everyone because you knew better. Funny that you went ahead anyways and now want to sue the seller. You bought the horse with total ignorance, this is on you. You had every chance in the world to try this horse out more, or fund out more behind the half dozen gigantic red flags that were waving right in front of your face.

Good luck deciding what to do with her.
 
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I don't think that you should ride her because you will probably never feel safe on her, but I don't see how you can justify calling her "bad" if you safely rode her for 5 months.

The best kids horse that I ever owned once violently bucked a person off. She kicked the horse hard to try to make her gallop; then she chickened out and pulled so hard on the bit that the horse went straight up in the air in a rolling rodeo buck. The woman flew right off. My poor horse's mouth was bleeding because of the woman's rough hands. I took off the bit, put the reins on the halter, and let her ride home. I never took that woman riding again. That horse safely carried many children for many miles on trails. I kept her until she died at age 27.
 
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I never called the horse bad, shes not bad she was bred and raised as a yearling to buck. she wasnt safe for five months took three months to get good.
 
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And horse training takes time. If you think a horse is supposed to go *poof* perfect, you are in the wrong sport.

I have had my horse for 6 years now. It took me 3 years to see any type of success. He was a pasture puff that had terrible manners. I didn't label him as a lost cause when others did. He turned out to be one of the best horses I have known. My new horse was untouched until 9 years old, and has a rearing habit when scared. She is turning out to be an amazing animal.

You are not giving this animal a fair chance.
 
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OP, I'm sorry you encountered a dishonest horse person. It bites that now you are paying for it.

That said... there really aren't full disclosure laws for horses like there are for people. Horse sellers can, and do, lie. If your dad chooses to sue, he will likely just lose money in court fees.
 
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If the horse isn't sound and you're riding her... She is probably uncomfortable and acting out. That part IS your fault. You are asking for trouble by riding an unsound horse.
 
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Actually...unless someone gets hurt, you would be in small claims court - although I have no idea if they have that in Australia. In small claims court, if you could prove intentional misrepresentation, you should be in good shape. Deliberate lying to sell damaged goods is frowned upon. "Buyer beware" has not described American law for a long time. However, small claims courts in the US tend to follow the personal whim of the judge, and not the law.
 
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The horse was mentally unsound, I kept asking what her physical problem was to the nice lady who owned the horse way before me, and the vet deemed the horse unridable due to extreme dangerous behaviour.

My dad is going to sue regardless I have allot of evidance, and her previouse owner said she would be able to help me. The previouse owner is angry about the horse being sold to me as a riding horse, the horse was sold to this lady only as broodmare under receipt so I am going to contact cody who breeds the bucking horses for the rodeo and wil have evidance that jazzy was a bronco, unridable and dangerouse.

My dad is friends with cops and my grandma wants her lawyer to send a letter. she will pay I know where the owner lives she has no money but I dont care she can lose her house or car. I have evidance that this horse was unridable, I will get evidance that the horse was a previouse bronco.
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My dad is going to sue regardless I have allot of evidance, and her previouse owner said she would be able to help me. The previouse owner is angry about the horse being sold to me as a riding horse, the horse was sold to this lady only as broodmare under receipt so I am going to contact cody who breeds the bucking horses for the rodeo and wil have evidance that jazzy was a bronco, unridable and dangerouse.

My dad is friends with cops and my grandma wants her lawyer to send a letter. she will pay I know where the owner lives she has no money but I dont care she can lose her house or car. I have evidance that this horse was unridable, I will get evidance that the horse was a previouse bronco.
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You are being ridiculously childish. From what you've written, it seems the seller warned you that this horse might be to much for you.

In addition, the horse never did anything to warrant being labeled "dangerous", while on your care. Have you considered that this previous owner has done work with this horse, And that it is indeed rideable?

What a horse did in the past doesn't matter. They live in the moment. It disgusts me that you are willing to give up on this animal because of her past, Or what someone else said about get past. You say you love her, yet you treat her, and your future lease horse, like a toy.

Your attitude towards this other person also disgusts me. I honestly can't see what she did wrong, unless I'm missing something, and if i can't see it, I doubt a judge will.
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I hate to say it, but here in the US, just because a horse is bred to be bronc horse for rodeos doesn't mean the horse is dangerous. I know several bronc horses who after their careers were sold and turned into great riding horses. Once was a top notch barrel racer, a couple were fun trail horses, and I know one who's owner started jumping him. No idea how he's doing now though. I myself looked at a few ex-broncs. It sucks that it seems like this person lied to you, and after reading your other post, it sounds like she wanted to make a quick sale, and you were so interested that she decided to go for it so she could get a few bucks, maybe pay off a bill or something. That doesn't make what she did right, but there were quite a few red flags, and you chose to ignore them. Your posts and comments seem to be a little contradictory, first she was starting to do better, then it sounds like someone recognized her, and told you she was "dangerous", so you decided to agree, especially after she acted up after being off for a bit. My first thought would honestly be to get a chiropractor and saddle fitter out, and make sure that the equipment fits properly, and the horse isn't acting up out of pain, then start taking other steps.

If the seller can reasonably sway the court to believe that she told you to get a saddle fitter out or something (whether she did or not is a moot point), that she cautioned you at all about the horse, and possibly needing work etc, chances are you guys aren't going to get a dime in repayment for false advertisement. Hopefully something can be figured out, but here in the US, it pretty much is buyer beware, and if you bought a horse that was too much for you to handle, no matter what the advertisement was, as long as you weren't injured, you aren't going to see anything, its on you for buying the horse. No idea how it is in Australia, but I'd be prepared. Especially because if she lied about what the horse can do, then she'll probably lie in court too, so no guarantees that things will go your way. Sorry that you've had to deal with this, but maybe next time you look at a horse you'll get a more professional opinion before buying.
 
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I got the horse a chiropractic vet who did acupuncture and also got the horse many massages, from a qaulified myotherapist. The vet checked my saddle to and said it was fine.

she is goimg to suffer for what she did to me regardless if she cant get in trouble. Ill ruin her reputation.
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Dont care that I bought her, owner lied it will be done and dusted after the owner gets named and shamed she will pay. I dont dwell on things forever I am looking at a horse thats for lease and sale at the moment. Jazzy will be gone soon.
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Dont care that I bought her, owner lied it will be done and dusted after the owner gets named and shamed she will pay. I dont dwell on things forever I am looking at a horse thats for lease and sale at the moment. Jazzy will be gone soon.
With that attitude, I feel sorry for the NEXT horse...and the one after that, and after that.

If you try to destroy the seller's reputation, you are probably breaking the law. You would be in the US, anyways. And your statement to that effect, posted on the Internet, would be proof of malicious intent. You have essentially said, in public, "I will commit a crime to get revenge"...and not just said it, but made sure it is available to anyone for years to come.

More importantly, I think, is that people who approach life the way you are tend to be miserable, unhappy people. As an old fart, posting advice on the Internet, I urge you to change your approach to life. In the big scheme of things, you've hit a very minor bump. Get over it. Give up the anger and bitterness and move on.

The horse you bought may or may not be rideable or worth keeping. I have no way of knowing just from reading Internet posts. One option might be to keep the horse for a year, unridden but led around and treated well - and THEN treat the horse like a horse that has never been ridden before.

Some horses have a mean streak that won't come out easy. Some just need to learn to trust humans and to learn what humans expect of them. I cannot diagnose your horse over the Internet, but I will say that time and patience can turn some horses around.

Turn around or not, though, give up the anger. It isn't good for you.
 
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You can all keep saying it was my fault, but at that time I trusted what I was told because I was arrogant. Lessons learned and I will be getting a new horse soon, which I will get on lease get a vet check by my favourite vet and bring my trainer.
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I have not finished reading this thread yet, but…seems to me you have not learned well enough. I am getting the same know it all arrogance in this thread that sounds all too familiar with your previous ones. Some folks on here have tried to help you. You ALWAYS seem to know better. I would suggest that if you do not want to hear it-don't ask. I would also suggest that you need to learn a WHOLE lot. About horses and life. If your father sues-he is the fools, and if you bad mouth this woman-you may just end up getting sued yourself for slander or defamation.
 
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