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post #1 of 11 Old 06-29-2010, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
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I Just... Mild Rage Inside

First, I'm sorry for my sudden disappearance. After logging off the forum for the night, my computer crashed and I've been unable to get it working again until recently. I'm pretty new, so I doubt anyone cares, but I thought someone might be wondering.

Anyway, there was a 2-year-old, "14 hand" donkey on craigslist. The ad simply said, "2-year-old jack, be great for breeding, very tame, email for pictures." All was fine and dandy, until I noticed they were asking $400 for their donkey.

So, being as I'm an idiot aparently (and having done this before on Craigslist, for example when an emaciated horse was going for $1000... when it was 15 with no training... or when someone was selling a Nubian goat as a nigerian dwarf... I should know this never ends well), I wrote to them and said their donkey probably would not sell, as it was way over the average price for donkeys in my area (which is about $75 for a large jack), and unless he was trained to ride or drive, or papered, he wasn't going to sell.

Mind you, I'VE listed animals way above market value in the area before, because I DIDN'T KNOW, so I thought, "If I were them, I'd APPRECIATE this".

They didn't. They told me to "mind my own business", and that they "knew" the donkey business.

I told them, "That's fine, but I hope you know he'll be there for a while." and thought that'd be enough. I thought, "this'll leave us on polite terms".

Well, they wrote back to me this morning, saying I was a fat slob, and needed to leave the "real" farmers alone and get off my mother's sofa. That's basically an exact quote.

I to that replied, "I was trying to be polite, but again, your donkey won't sell if you're asking that much, unless he's dead broke. Even then, I KNOW there isn't a huge market for riding donkeys here."

In her last email, she told me he is dead broke (at 2 mind you, and he's a stud), that they've been riding him since he was 9 months old (real healthy, that), and that he's a beautiful donkey. So they email me pictures, of a skinny donkey (who looks a lot more like a mule than a donkey), whom you can see the ribs and spine of.

Oh yeah, he's going to go for $400.

Probably a pointless thread, and I know I shouldn't of messaged them. But... wow.
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post #2 of 11 Old 06-29-2010, 01:51 PM
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People don't like to be criticized out of the blue by some stranger.

I'm not surprised you got the reception you did.

People can list an animal at whatever price they want. Doesn't mean they'll get that price, but it really wasn't up to you to 'enlighten' them.
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post #3 of 11 Old 06-29-2010, 01:57 PM Thread Starter
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I'm aware, and I said that in my post. I just generally assume people would like getting some advice - as I've been in that situation before, and really appreciated getting to "know" the market.

I wasn't pushy. I simply suggested they look at the other ads, and put their price more towards that, or told people why he was worth that. I can understand them being angry at me, and most of my rage comes from them going from polite to calling me names and swearing like a sailor rather suddenly... and then showing me the condition of their animal.
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post #4 of 11 Old 06-29-2010, 03:08 PM
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It wasn't your place to inform the sellers of their unreasonable price. They would have discovered it themselves in a month or so when they weren't receiving any responses.
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Again, I'm aware that I probably should of kept my mouth shut, and again I'll say that in the past, MY prices have been too high and I appreciated people saying so.

My email was as follows:

"I'm not trying to sound rude or pushy, but I feel you should know that your donkey's price is a bit high.

In the past, when new to an area, I've had too high prices before, and being told helped me. I'm hoping I can help you, too.

If you look around CL, you'll see that the other donkeys (even broke ones, and you didn't say if yours was) are going for $75-150. I thought you'd like to know."

They replied with,

"Thank you, but I know the equine market, and my price is below average."

I responded,
"I just thought you'd like to know. Is he broke to ride?"

And they replied,
"Yes, he is. He's deadbroke and he's worth much more than that. He'd also be a great stud, because he has a sweet personality. People ride donkeys here all the time, especially jacks, and he's a very good deal.

You should get off your mother's couch and go out a bit before you start assessing prices."

Not exact quotes, as I can't get my email inbox to load, but close. The thing that really made me mad were the age they broke him at, and the condition he was in. They claimed to of owned him since he was a foal, so they have no excuse.
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post #6 of 11 Old 06-30-2010, 12:21 AM
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I agree that it was not your place, and do think it was rude to tell someone that. If you were interested in buying the donkey, it is not inappropriate to offer a lower price (as long as it isn't insulting), but just to email someone just to tell them they are over priced is very rude. I see incorrect things on CL all the time (never a price, it's no one's business what someone else prices their property at), for example yestereday I saw an ad for a cremello mare that said she'd throw the color of whatever she was bred to (now that may have been something that would have been ok to correct, but I didn't see it as my place).

I also didn't see them say anything inappropriate in their emails, and although I strongly disagree w/ riding an animal that young (I wouldn't buy an equine that had been rode that young at any price), I wonder if they didn't tell you that partially to get a reaction from you. The donkey may not be broke at all, I would guess he's not since it wasn't mentioned, and since you clearly aren't a serious buyer there'd be no reason to be honest w/ you.
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I have to agree. If I was selling something on CL and someone wrote to me and told me what price I should be selling for, I would pretty much say exactly what the folks said to you. Not your place or your business to tell a stranger what they should sell their animal for. I see questionable horses advertised everyday for prices I would never pay, yet they sell them for big sums, right alongside a nice horse for sale much cheaper and it doesn't sell. Some folks are lucky, they name a price and get it.
If a person asks for advice, then you have every right to say"this is my advice to you because I did this or that". But if someone doesn't ask your opinion, then don't give it.
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post #8 of 11 Old 06-30-2010, 06:37 PM
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You aren't going to change anything when giving advice where it isn't wanted. It wasn't really any of your business how much they were asking for the critter. You can laugh your head off at ridiculous CL ads (I do it all the time) but that's about it. Better to just keep any commentary to yourself.

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post #9 of 11 Old 06-30-2010, 06:48 PM
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Broski - I'm with you on this one. I've had stuff for sale on craigslist and GREATLY appreciated people informing me what the average price was in the market, etc. I never once sent back anything but a kind thank you for their help.
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post #10 of 11 Old 06-30-2010, 07:19 PM
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I'm with the majority, I'd be upset if some stranger out of the blue criticized my ad and/or asking price. It is probably best, from now on, not to assume they want your advice. You know what they say about assuming things.

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