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        06-10-2010, 09:09 PM
      #1
    Foal
    I'm in shock. Is this a scam or a tragedy?

    Last Saturday we sold our 21 y/o pony, Mack. It was my daughter's first pony and we have had him and loved him for the last four years. My daughter has sort of outgrown him and has a new horse. You can still see Mack's ad in Dreamhorse.com I don't know how to make a hyper link to his ad but it is #1557107
    Anyway, the buyer emails me and phones me complaining that Mack is at least 30 and has no teeth. Well that is news to me. I bought him 4 years ago and he was represented to me as 17 so he is now 21. I just had his teeth floated 5 months ago and he had teeth then. She says she may want her money back. Well the contract is rock solid. She bought Mack "as-is". She did not get a PPE.
    Today, I get an email from her that she had Mack put down!!! Supposedly, Mack had a colic and wouldn't drink and went downhill fast. OMG! What? I am so upset. I called my wife and she said, we can't keep all the money. We have to give some sort of a refund, right? What is the right thing to do? Is this a scam. Is Mack dead or are they just pulling our heartstrings to make us feel like we owe them a refund? What to do?
         
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        06-10-2010, 09:24 PM
      #2
    Banned
    Just my two cents;

    Do not give them any money. Do not allow your wife to give them any money.

    Whether or not the poor old pony had to be put down is not relevant to the discussion. They bought an aged pony, as is, with no PPE. If they are now sufffering buyer's remorse, for what ever reason, it is not yoiur fault.
         
        06-10-2010, 09:36 PM
      #3
    Banned
    Agreed. I personally would want to see the vet bill that stated he was euthed even before THINKING about giving them back money, but even then I probably would not. As maura said, no PPE means no refund, they bought an old horse knowing he was old.

    Oh, and the 30 year old at my barn still has teeth left. So the 'not teeth' thing is full of crap.
         
        06-10-2010, 09:52 PM
      #4
    Started
    My 31 yr old appy still has teeth, not many in back but he has enough to eat his feed without it being soaked. I'm sorry they had to put him down, if they did.. Keep the money.
         
        06-10-2010, 10:15 PM
      #5
    Yearling
    NOOOOO MONEYYYYYY! You are being taken for a ride! I'm so sorry your beloved pony passed away, but that is what a PPE is for. Besides, even if they had gotten a PPE, they wouldn't have predicted colic 9 times out of 10.
    It was an accident. If you buy a car, and someone T-bones you in an intersection on the way home, the dealership does not give you back your money.

    Besides, I haven't exactly bought a thousand horses in my life, but I do usually make sure the ones I'm buying have teeth..
         
        06-10-2010, 10:34 PM
      #6
    Started
    I completely agree with everyone else - you don't owe them anything.
         
        06-10-2010, 11:28 PM
      #7
    Trained
    I agree with everyone else. Do not give them money. I would, however, ask for proof of death, just so you know for sure if he's really gone. I would want proof. It's certainly possible, but still. Either way, I'm very sorry. =[
         
        06-11-2010, 12:23 AM
      #8
    Weanling
    Oh heck no...if that isn't a scam, my horse is purple with blue stripes!

    My feelings, this probably is falling down like this: They bought your pony, with the intentions beforehand of trying to scam you out of your money. They made up bullcrap to try to sucker you into that. The pony may or may not have really colicked, the pony may have been put down or may be alive - if he did and was put down, it probably just fuels the fire making them push harder since they feel they have an "excuse" now. One thing is certain: You KNOW the age of the pony, and ponies don't use lose teeth that are otherwise healthy over a few days. So you KNOW they are lying about that, and obviously wanted money along with it, so you KNOW that part is a scam. Which adds weight to the fact that they are probably lying about the colic, in some elaborate scheme to, pardon the phrase, have their cake and eat it too - in other words, get the pony without losing their $$.

    I would play along with their game to find out what is and is not truth. As was suggested by someone else, ask to see the vet bill. At least them you will know what happened. I assume they may have already buried the body, but I swear I would have asked to examine it to see if the pony did or did not have teeth, and get a vet to give you the professional opinion on the pony's age.

    But honestly, don't give them a dime no matter what the outcome. In horse sales, it's buy at your own risk. If you waive a PPE, then you are taking a risk that the horse may have underlying health issues. And as was mentioned, it's unlikely colic could have been seen coming in the PPE anyway. Even if the pony WAS 30 and had no teeth, it was buyer's responsibility to check, check and double check (although I believe you are the honest one here!).
         
        06-11-2010, 12:35 AM
      #9
    Foal
    Everyone,

    Thank you so much for helping me with this one. When it hits you on an emotional level, it is hard to think straight. I wanted Mack's next owner to continue to appreciate Mack for his golden personality and his capacity to perform. Just last week, my daughter rode him in a games rally. Mack was quite fit thanks to my daughter's efforts. I haven't even told her about Mack's fate. And I won't either. She cried when he left the farm. I don't see any benefit in telling her about this. I am not made of money. If I have extra money to give away, I will give it to the crisis pregnancy center or my local church.
         
        06-11-2010, 02:54 AM
      #10
    Weanling
    I agree with you and think it is best that you not tell your daughter...it won't do her any good at all, you are right. I'm very sorry you have had to deal with all this...I hope the situation smooths out. It's always heart breaking when an animal you love is treated unfairly, doubly so when it is out of your hands...
         

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