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    07-16-2012, 08:54 PM
  #1
Yearling
I'm in a very tough spot... boarding situation

I moved from Florida 2.5 years ago to North Carolina. The transition was 2 years in the making and I was able to find a home for rent that allowed my horse. I love the property and the area.

When the house was listed for rent on craiglist, my fiance and I made an appointment to see it while we were in town interviewing for jobs (2 months prior to the move). The night before our appt, the owner called to say someone gave them a deposit. I responded saying if anything were to fall through, to please let us know. A week after we returned to FL, I received an email and knew I had to lock down this house before I lost it again.

We paid 2 months rent as a deposit to hold it. I was so excited and caught up, I didn't write up a practical lease regarding my horse. It simply said "...and one horse to have use of adjoining pasture and barn."

Nothing states who was to maintain the pasture, or what level of expectations were.

Here is what has happened in the past year
-The electric fence has not worked (though been 'fixed' twice by landlord)
-My new horse went through the seperating fence (electric wasn't working) cutting himself badly (and landlord fixed fence but didn't tell me. I found him cut up and bloody- and went to tell them that I was so sorry my horse must have done something to their fencing when they said they knew and already fixed the fence)
-Landlords horse died less than a month ago by impailing himself on T-post
-Water trough was not usable for a few weeks(and I was told they could drink from stagnant pond)
-Gate to adjoining pasture was broken and posing as a hazard
-Board fencing has begun coming undone/needing weekly repair (tenant has done this)
-Landlord fed said horse in pasture with mine, allowing mine to eat his grain (could have caused colic)

I was paying for daily use of the stalls from Sep 2010-summer 2011. When they were in pasture 24/7 I was told I didn't have to pay for the stalls. When fall of '11 hit, I was asked to begin paying for the stalls again. I used them MAYBE 10 times this past winter. The cost was never discussed again, so I have continued paying- for what I would consider barn use- tack and hay/feed is stored in barn. My fiance went around and tried to get electric working after their horse died, but there are grounds everywhere from massive plants/shrubs.

Today I was messaged that my horse had gotten out of the pasture and that landlord had to chase the horse (again). I never got the first notice until today.
I feel very irresponsible, because I had been fearful that the electric not working was dangerous and had I known they actually tested it, would have been addressing it at that time.

My dilemna is that I don't have enough legality to even put up a stink about it. I didn't get enough detail in the contract to expect anything since it's all self care. I want to fence in behind my house but when I told landlord that I would need to stop paying for the barn use (would be moving everything out) she said no and that we should keep everything the same way it is.

I called around for pasture board today but am getting heart palpitations even thinking of paying board for both horses. I simply cannot afford it. I feel like I am in a very tough spot.

When I got home, I planned to have a mature conversation asking them to either fix it, or allow me to hire someone and then take it out of the monthly payment. By the time I arrived, landlord said "The electric is working again, I dare him to test it now." It caught me off guard and I simply thanked the wife for safely getting my horse back in the pasture. I really really am thankful for that.

I don't know what to do. The only option I can forsee is redoing the lease when it comes back up in February, or selling one of my horses and boarding my 'heart' horse. I know I am responsible for their safety. I don't expect anyone else to care for them, I just don't know much about farm work and electric fencing. My fear is that if I make a stink about any of this, they could say "then board off the property." I moved to this rural area to have my horses home.

I know, my own stupidity, but what would you do at this point?
     
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    07-16-2012, 09:10 PM
  #2
Showing
I think you need to have a discussion with the landlord as to how to work things out that are amicable to both of you. Perhaps she would appreciate some help and would be willing to bend a little. When the fence is working properly, horses can sense it and don't need to touch it to teach them to stay clear. Horses are very hard on everything and perhaps the work has become overwhelming. My hubby and I spent an entire day rebuilding the stall our mare was living in. The BO had a bad hip and we were considerably younger. Sure it was hard work but the end result was worth it. It is almost a full time job fixing what horses wreck.
     
    07-16-2012, 09:16 PM
  #3
Banned
It seems that most of your complaints are very easy fixes, and something you could do yourself, for likely less than $50, probably quite a bit less.

The fence is grounding out. Walk it, stop it from touching anything.
Cap the t posts.
What's the issue with the water trough? Why can't it be cleaned out and refilled using a hose?
Get a hammer and some nails and fix the loose boards.

The only thing that isn't an affordable easy fix is possibly the gate. Do the rest of the things and have your landlord do that.


I board my horse but if I were to see a fencing problem, I'd fix it then tell the barn owner - and my horse isn't even at my house.
     
    07-16-2012, 09:32 PM
  #4
Yearling
Both of you have some valid points.

Saddlebag- The property isnt maintained. At least not the horse part of it. I maintain the barn and keep it clean, same as I was doing with the stalls, etc. The pasture is now at a point that it is all weeds. She blamed my horses for 'eating it down' but truth be told, it was never mowed and therefore never promoted good growth. I have been told by many neighbors that this pasture was never allowed to become a pasture and that's why the rocks and weeds have taken over when they built it 5 years ago. I am all for hard work, but at this point I feel like I put in far more effort than they do, but i'm paying them.. and I'm not sure what i'm paying for right now.

P.s.- I would mow the pasture myself but the rocks would tear my new mower up

AlexS- If it were as easy as walking the fence line, that would be fine. Fiance did that and was amazed at the amount of trees and shurbbery there was. We don't have a chain saw but took our hedge cutter and weed wacker and barely made a dent. I assume this was manicured at some point, but it no longer gets taken care of.

The water trough is an auto-waterer where when the landlord (also neighbors) water pump went out, they took the house from the trough and connected it to our pump to get water to their house. That went on for weeks. There was no hose to disconnect and fill the trough. (I was lugging buckets of water from my house to the pasture- no easy task but I did it)

The gate was actually recently fixed, it is no longer a problem but something that was a hazard for at least 3 months. They have also capped the T posts now.

I do appreciate your perspectives and feedback. I guess my 2 biggest concerns are quality of pasture (it wasnt quite this bad when I moved in), and the fencing not working.

By the way, the board fencing is vinyl so if the horse leans on it they pop out. I don't know how because they are quite a #$#$@ to get back in place, lol!

I think I am intimidated to talk to them because of 3 seperate occasions, I asked to make a change (like allowingme to feed my own horses so they were on a schedule vs. whenever she decided to feed hers) or asking to make sure the hose was connected at the barn so I didnt have to lug buckets, I got the crazy 3 headed creature reaction. I always went out of my way to be thankful and be respectful but all 3 times you'd think I walked up to them and smacked them in the face with a sweaty sock. It was actually very frightening and eye opening to see the reaction. Maybe that hindered my ability to speak openly to them...

I will try to keep an open mind and be more aware of a contract.
     
    07-16-2012, 09:40 PM
  #5
Trained
My main question here would be...what is YOUR horse doing to get out? Is he disrespectful of the fence? Why is the fence breaking? Is he the one causing the problems? Deer? Downed trees?

If my horse was causing problems, id be the one out there fixing it, regardless if I owned the property or not.

Also, for the safety of my horse, id be doing whatever it took to make it "horse proof"

And id go out and buy a 20 gallon bucket or something so my horse can have clean, fresh water.

Like AlexS said, most are easy fixes.

Good luck!
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    07-16-2012, 10:22 PM
  #6
Yearling
No, my horse doesnt respect soft mesh eletric fencing, when its off. Does yours? Its the 3" tape lectric and its off. Why wouldnt he go through it?
     
    07-16-2012, 10:24 PM
  #7
Banned
I guess maybe you have different expectations with rented property than I do.




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Originally Posted by LetAGrlShowU    
I maintain the barn and keep it clean, same as I was doing with the stalls, etc.
You should. You are paying to rent it, it's your job to keep it clean and do the stalls.



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Originally Posted by LetAGrlShowU    
The pasture is now at a point that it is all weeds. She blamed my horses for 'eating it down' but truth be told, it was never mowed and therefore never promoted good growth. I have been told by many neighbors that this pasture was never allowed to become a pasture and that's why the rocks and weeds have taken over when they built it 5 years ago.
Clear out the rocks and mow it. I have never lived in a rented house where they still came and mowed the grass. That only happens in big apartment complexes.


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Originally Posted by LetAGrlShowU    
alexS- If it were as easy as walking the fence line, that would be fine. Fiance did that and was amazed at the amount of trees and shurbbery there was. We don't have a chain saw but took our hedge cutter and weed wacker and barely made a dent. I assume this was manicured at some point, but it no longer gets taken care of.
Spend some time and get it done. Buy or borrow a chain saw.
I realize that you are sounding like you are not wanting to do much work on the property but this is a matter of your horses safety.

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Originally Posted by LetAGrlShowU    
The water trough is an auto-waterer where when the landlord (also neighbors) water pump went out, they took the house from the trough and connected it to our pump to get water to their house. That went on for weeks. There was no hose to disconnect and fill the trough. (I was lugging buckets of water from my house to the pasture- no easy task but I did it)
This is the only thing that your landlord should take care of in my opinion. In the mean time, buy a hose and run it out there so you don't have to carry buckets.


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Originally Posted by LetAGrlShowU    
By the way, the board fencing is vinyl so if the horse leans on it they pop out. I don't know how because they are quite a #$#$@ to get back in place, lol!
You just have to space it correctly, so that early boards are not taking up too much of the in space leaving nothing for later boards.


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Originally Posted by LetAGrlShowU    
I got the crazy 3 headed creature reaction. I always went out of my way to be thankful and be respectful but all 3 times you'd think I walked up to them and smacked them in the face with a sweaty sock. It was actually very frightening and eye opening to see the reaction. Maybe that hindered my ability to speak openly to them...
I think I might have freaked too. It's not unreasonable to expect you to own a hose. And you could have asked if you could feed her horse rather than can you feed it at a set time. I couldn't feed my horse at a set time every day.
     
    07-16-2012, 10:38 PM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
I guess maybe you have different expectations with rented property than I do.






You should. You are paying to rent it, it's your job to keep it clean and do the stalls.


And I do. I was simply pointing out what a good tenant I have been.


Clear out the rocks and mow it. I have never lived in a rented house where they still came and mowed the grass. That only happens in big apartment complexes.

You couldnt possibly clear out the rocks. I have spent hours and it doesn't make a difference. They have a bush hog they use to mow it. But its only been mowed once in 2 years. By the way, this is their pasture. I maintain my 6 acres very well. If I am paying for board, why would I not expect them to do anything?


Spend some time and get it done. Buy or borrow a chain saw.
I realize that you are sounding like you are not wanting to do much work on the property but this is a matter of your horses safety.

You are absolutely correct. I do feel that if I spend money or hire someone to make the fence work, I should be able to take that off board.

This is the only thing that your landlord should take care of in my opinion. In the mean time, buy a hose and run it out there so you don't have to carry buckets.

And hook it where? The pasture is nowhere near a faucet that connects to my house. The only reason the automwaterer works is because their house is closest and they run a hose.


You just have to space it correctly, so that early boards are not taking up too much of the in space leaving nothing for later boards.


Could you elaborate on this? The fence was pre-existing and concreted in, how do I change the spacing?

I think I might have freaked too. It's not unreasonable to expect you to own a hose. And you could have asked if you could feed her horse rather than can you feed it at a set time. I couldn't feed my horse at a set time every day.
I didnt get too into detail but what I offered was actually very similar to what you said. But I was feeding my horses in the morning and we had non-verbally been helping eachother out in the evenings with the other horses. When she began feeding at noon and it messed up my evening routine so I asked nicely we could either find a few days a week to decide who feeds when or just allow me to feed the horses. I took my time to ask her nicely and ensure she knew I was gracious that she was heping at all.

I don't know why, but sometimes I come off rude or entitled even though I do it with the most sincere, honest intentions. Sorry if it appears that way.
     
    07-16-2012, 10:57 PM
  #9
Green Broke
Fences.....cut the brush out and then spray round up along the fence row two to three times a year.

You have a nice home and a place to keep your horses. That's more than most renters. Be happy and fix things that need fixing.
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    07-16-2012, 11:01 PM
  #10
Banned
And I do. I was simply pointing out what a good tenant I have been.

I don't really think that's good or bad, just normal.



You couldnt possibly clear out the rocks. I have spent hours and it doesn't make a difference. They have a bush hog they use to mow it. But its only been mowed once in 2 years. By the way, this is their pasture. I maintain my 6 acres very well. If I am paying for board, why would I not expect them to do anything?

You or they are going to have to clear out the rocks if it's going to be mowed. If you feel you can't do it, I'd imagine they feel the same way, but you expect them to do it still.
How about offering to combine efforts to get it done?
I didn't realize this was the separate pasture you are renting, that does put the onus on them to do it. However I rent a field from my trainer, it was her hay field and so just fenced with barbed wire before I rented it. I provided the labor and did the work fencing it, as I knew she couldn't do it alone. It worked to my benefit as I wanted it done so I could move my horse there.
Same deal here, I think it's in your benefit to help clear the pasture.



You are absolutely correct. I do feel that if I spend money or hire someone to make the fence work, I should be able to take that off board.

Not really sure what your arrangement is, but that's very possible. However it needs to be done either way as your horse is getting out.


And hook it where? The pasture is nowhere near a faucet that connects to my house. The only reason the automwaterer works is because their house is closest and they run a hose.

Ask if you can hook it to their faucet or get a longer hose.


Could you elaborate on this? The fence was pre-existing and concreted in, how do I change the spacing?

I assume you are talking about the fencing that is plastic and the boards that are the horizontal boards. If so, those boards have a limited space to fit in. It should be that the fence post has boards coming at it from either side, taking up 50% of the space available. If you have one board pushed through too far, you leave less space available for the next post and it's boards. Do that a few times and there is no spacing left when you get to the end. Does that make sense? If not, laugh, I need help as I am not good at explaining things like that.





I didnt get too into detail but what I offered was actually very similar to what you said. But I was feeding my horses in the morning and we had non-verbally been helping eachother out in the evenings with the other horses. When she began feeding at noon and it messed up my evening routine so I asked nicely we could either find a few days a week to decide who feeds when or just allow me to feed the horses. I took my time to ask her nicely and ensure she knew I was gracious that she was heping at all.

Ok. I didn't understand it as an extra feed. She should bring her horse in to do that. I don't think it's fair to feed some horses in a field and not the others.

I don't know why, but sometimes I come off rude or entitled even though I do it with the most sincere, honest intentions. Sorry if it appears that way.

No you don't, and I am coming across harsher than I intend to. I am not ranting at you, just trying to give you a different point of view.

I do too much at my barn, I always have and I tend to get walked over - so I am not saying that you should go as far as I do - but the things you think are a really bad situation which is putting your housing and horse ownership in danger, well, I don't think they are that bad.
     

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