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#1 ·
So what is wrong with the world now-a-day? I mean, do we really have to put each others horses down just so we feel better about our own? Almost every single day I read someone saying something about my boy, Bear, or Rhedd, or Junior (who is more of Aubre, NordicJuniper's boy). But, I am used to that because he is so underweight and has bad muscling, so how well (I guess). But when someone goes onto a forum/thread just to be rude and say that my/your horse is ugly, I think that is taking it a bit too far. For example:

Right here, on out home forum, someone (pm me if you want names) said that Junior looks like sucky personality that goes along with his sucky looks. Funny thing is, this little girl thought that she was being an adult by saying that. *BUZZ* wrong. Saying someone's horse is ugly and has a bad personality is WAY out of line. If you don’t know the horse or you have something to say that is far from being nice, don’t say it. Do you think that all of these horse owners out here want to hear it?
http://www.horseforum.com/english-riding/new-riding-pics-37211/page1/

Now, this one is about Bear, my love and my life. I’m sure you guys are hitting the nail on the head, knowing that I won’t taking this lightly, haha.
Here is a link to Bear's little profile, thing:
http://www.horsechannel.com/blog/viewbio.aspx?apid=155451
This girl told me, "sorry but I just don't think he is that great!"
WTF? Why the eff would you go onto someone's horses profile and say that? Here is her horse’s page (her horses name is Bear as well):
http://www.horsechannel.com/blog/viewbio.aspx?apid=155443
What did I have to say to that girl? Well, let’s take a look :)
"Why would you leave a comment like that about my horse? That is very imature and rude. Please, keep you snooty little comments to yourself, I don’t want to hear them if they are going to be rude."
Lol, as you can tell, I didn’t take her saying that to well.

Well, if you ask me, it’s a jealousy thing. They just wish they had their dirty little hands on such a nice horse (lol). xD

So I want to hear your opinion on people insulting other peoples horses. I just want to make sure I’m not the only one who has issues with it, haha.

P.S: If my horse isn’t that great, they why was he a lesson horse for baby beginners and 6 year olds..?
 
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#5 ·
There is critique and there is insult. However, when one is the owner, it is hard sometimes to separate the two because anything but glowing commentary can come across as a slight to your "baby". That said, I don't think critique is warranted unless it is requested.
Now, if you post pictures of a horse that has very obvious health/safety issues, I don't have any problem with polite commenting. There is a big difference between saying, "Wow, he/she is really underweight. How are you approaching getting the weight back on him/her" and "Why on earth would you own such a scrawny nag? That horse wouldn't even be fit for the dog food factory. You should be ashamed of yourself." Sometimes, people really are ignorant of what might be a dangerous condition in their animal and a POLITE comment can bring it to their attention and start towards getting the horse the relief he/she deserves.
Sorry - taking off on a bit of a tangent there...........shutting up now :)
 
#7 ·
Very well said. It is true that critique and criticism often have quite a fuzzy line between them. When critique is asked for, I give it. When it is not asked for, I don't give it.

I always start nicely. It is when I am met with ignorance that I get frustrated. I do not think there is ever any need to call someone's horse "ulgy" or "sucky." However, a conformation flaw is a conformation flaw, and if you've asked for critique on confo, I'm going to tell you that your horse is back at the knee, or has a weak hind end, or what have you. Name calling is never necessary.

You just have to censor yourself. Children say whatever pops into their heads. Adults choose their words with exactness and precision. Adults speak with eloquence. You must be able to diferentiate between the two. Say what you mean without being a *****. Everyone should be able to do that.
 
#6 ·
i also completely agree you have a beautiful horse! he sounds very kind too! i mean we have all see those certain horses that arent really what we like or are use to but that doesnt mean you shouldnt insult it! its just you opion on the breed. i dont partiularly like quarter horses but that doesnt mean i should put down a horse or their owner just because i dont really like that breed it still might be a perfectly fine horse.
 
#8 ·
You don't even want to know how many people have made comments about Noah's age in the two and a half weeks that I've had him. I CHOSE to give him a home where he can be well cared for and loved for the rest of his life, but everyone else thinks they can tell me "what did you do that for? isn't he going to die soon? you could ship him to the auction when you can't ride him anymore" WTF??? Noah is my perfect "Old Man" and he will stay with us til the end. I didn't get him to show, I got him because I wanted to give a horse that had a crappy, hard life a good home! Sorry for my rant, your post just made me think!! Don't worry about all the stupid people out there. They need SOMETHING that will make them feel better about themselves, even if they have to be rude to do it. I think your boys are GORGEOUS!
 
#9 ·
Well said everyone!

Like I said (or I think I said), when I ask for critique I listen and take things in. Though when someone just said, "Your horse has bad confo and shouldnt be ridden anymore," that ticks me off. That isn't a critique if you ask me. When I do ask for critique, I expect some people to be a little blunt, oh well, I just hate those rude pointless comments. I hate it even more when there isnt a critique asked for or needed. Like the girl saying what she said about my boy, that wasnt needed and wasnt asked for. I guess its just a jealousy thing.

Oh yeah, and I hate that English Western thing. Ya know, when english riders bag on western rider and western riders bag on english riders. What is the need for that? If you ride properly, then the riding just about the same, just with different tack.

Anyways, thanks everyone! I would love to hear more opinions on this.
 
#10 ·
Thanks Perch!

It makes me so happy to see someone else taking in an older horse and giving it the best life they can. I have two horses like that, both are younger then Noah and were rideable (now one is retired).

P.S: Noah looks awesome for it age! I would have never guessed that he was 30.
 
#21 ·
I'm 18. Explain what, though, exactly?

"I can tell you that it's not jealousy. That may be the case sometimes, but not always. Guarantee it." As I said, it's not always jealousy. It's pretty easy for human beings to shrug off anything negative that's said as long as they chalk it up to jealousy. If a group of kids makes fun of a girl for being unattractive, what do we tell her? They're just jealous! Of course that's going to make us feel better, but in reality, that's not always the case. I've known horses that I've insulted and felt no desire whatsoever to possess or even be around, so I can tell you that it's not always jealousy.

"Adults apparently don't realise we don't all have the some moral and ethical codes that dictate our behaviour. ;)" Of course, that was sort of sarcastic. But we all have different ethical codes, right? Some of us bite our tongues and only say things that are nice - If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. But some of us don't believe in that. Some of us believe it's better to speak the honest, brutal truth, regardless of others' reactions. And we believe others should be able to accept that - although not necessarily like it or approve. I don't approve of biting my tongue, but you know what? If someone else wants to do it, then have at it. And I think it's only fair that if someone else doesn't approve of such brutal honesty and speaking ones mind, that's fine, but don't say no one can just because that's not your way of life. I speak my mind because I think that's something we should all do. It's liberating. Imagine how much less stressed everyone would be if they could just say what they thought! Imagine the money saved on therapy! I don't expect others to be that way, but I expect (or at least ask that they do) accept my decision to be that way. Doesn't make me immature, mean, or bitchy. I just don't believe in stifling myself in the interest of what others think is and isn't appropriate. I'd rather decide for myself what is and isn't appropriate, and let others decide for themselves.

Wow, that was such a huge rant. Sorry! XD This is just something I feel very strongly about. I've received a lot of crap from people - even family has rejected me - because of how I am. And no matter how hard I try to explain that it's just what I believe, that's all, no one seems to get it.
 
#13 ·
To be completely honest, it's the internet and people saying rude thing about you/your horse is most likely going to happen. You just have to be the bigger person and not let it get to you.

I've had people tell me my mare is so fat she must be pregnant (LOL, if they think she's fat I'd hate to see what they think is a good weight!), I'm fat and need to loose weight, my mare is worthless and never going to get anywhere. And that was just in one post. HAHAHA. All of which I know is completely untrue. What other people say has absolutely no affect on me. Some people just like to try and stir up sh*t for the fun of it.

I'm sorry rude things were said about your horses, it hurts but YOU know your horses better than anyone, just try your best to brush it off. :)
 
#18 ·
Constructive criticism is helpful. Calling someone's horse "not great" or "sucky" or "ugly" is absolutely unnecessary. (Ok, "not great" taken in the context of "will be he a great GP jumper?" is different...)
Anyways, I think these people completely crossed the line, there was no need for any of it.
 
#19 ·
Just saw that LOTV is banned, good on the mods.
Anyways, this is the internet, there are people who think that they can do and say whatever they want, and unfortunately they target whomever they think they possibly can and get a reaction. It stinks, because the internet is anonymous so there's no need to own up for anything. So... try to not take it to heart, and instead listen to the 99% of other people that say otherwise.
 
#20 · (Edited)
I suppose I should have explained my definitions of "children" and "adults."

I believe that in order to act on a mature level, one must be able to speak in the manner that I described. There are plenty of "grown ups" who choose to act like children. There are plenty of youngsters with every ability in the world to speak like an adult.

ETA: Morals have (or should have) little to do with common sense.
 
#22 ·
If you must speak the honest, brutal truth about something, then so be it. Just don't be nasty and hateful about it. Which I believe I already said.

Again, I don't believe that everything has to be rainbows and butterflies. But it does have to be respectful and spoken with lightness. Not every truthful statement must be insulting. Ethics and morals shouldn't have anything to do with that.
 
#23 ·
I believe in respect only to those who deserve it. Therefore, I will offer no respect to someone who I don't feel does. Again, that doesn't have to be your belief, and you can be the complete opposite, but that doesn't mean I can't be the person I wish to be. There's a quote from The Satanic Bible that states it well: "The Satanist...should have the ability to decide what is just." And I believe everyone should have that ability and live by it.
 
#24 ·
GEEZE People were rude. I would NEVER say that to someone about their horse. Thats not what i was taught to do. Im sorry you had to deal with that because your horses are beautiful. Sorry if i make any typos. Im typing one handed and eating the pizza with the hand im not typing with lol.
 
#29 ·
Very interesting views Judecca! I do see your point, but like a lot of others, I dont see the point in saying something rude about ones horse if its not asked of (a.i. when someone just posts some pictures of their horse saying how proud they are of the for jumping 3' for the first time, then someone replying saying that their horse is ugly and that it shouldnt be jumping 3' because it sucks at it). Sure, someone is going to say something rude, there is no way to avoid that, but does that mean that we who done believe in that have to just sit there and take it? No.

To everyone else, all of you have good statements!

Feel free to share your stories on people insulting your horse and you not enjoying it, or if you have intulted a horse and someone gave you a hard time about it. Im not going to say anything rude to anyone on here, and if you feel I did, please tell me right away.

JustDressageIt: I have to say, im very happy she was banned. She went to far with many people! Thank you for informing me. And also, thank you mods! :)
 
#31 ·
Very interesting views Judecca! I do see your point, but like a lot of others, I dont see the point in saying something rude about ones horse if its not asked of (a.i. when someone just posts some pictures of their horse saying how proud they are of the for jumping 3' for the first time, then someone replying saying that their horse is ugly and that it shouldnt be jumping 3' because it sucks at it). Sure, someone is going to say something rude, there is no way to avoid that, but does that mean that we who done believe in that have to just sit there and take it? No.
You don't have to "just sit there and take it," but there's a point where it should just be let go. If a person can say something about another's horse, then someone else can say what they wish about what person number one has said. That only goes without saying. However, people should realise that things like that will happen, and there's no need to take it to heart. Also, there's no need to make it into a huge drama worthy of becoming its own soap opera. I've been in many arguments where I've said things others thought were rude and unnecessary (not horse-related, but whatever), and they've just become crazy! Usually I'll then just be like, "Okay, y'all are taking this too far. I think it's time we be done. Bye." 'Cause there's no point in making it into such a big thing.

Plenty of times I've had people say horrible things about horses I love. My riding instructor, actually, used to totally hate my favourite horse of the barn. She was always insulting him. And I just accepted that she didn't like his personality, and that's okay. The horse I ride now a friend of mine says how much she hates, and I just laugh it off. She's entitled to that, right? And I wouldn't ask her to not say that just because I can't handle the reality of her feelings.
 
#30 ·
Judecca, no one wishes to change what you believe. That is not my right nor anyone else's. But like you said - rules are rules.

Here, each thing we choose to say must adhere to the aforementioned rules.

This thread is about being rude on this forum - and each of my points has been valid on those grounds thus far.
 
#33 ·
Very well put Spyder! I agree with you 100%. Would you mind telling me what forum you were talking about? Im pretty sure I already know what forum it is, but I would like to know for sure so I can aviod it, haha. As you may be able to tell, I dont like people talking crap about my horse when it's out of context.
 
#37 ·
An honest opinion is fine if it is done tactfully. You can say the exact same thing one way and be fine, and another way it be considered rude. Everyone should just have common courtesy.
In that same regard though, I find saying something behind a persons back in order to not hurt their feelings worse than just saying it to their face.
 
#40 ·
So someone whose horse is not your favorite has not earned your respect?

I find that absurd, but I suppose if you're going to justify that with beliefs, then we ought to just call the discussion off. Anything said can be justified in that way, and there would be no purpose to the Etiquette policy.
 
#41 ·
...Way to totally misconstrue, like, everything I've said here. This is why such discussions become so long and drawn-out with me. People are all like, "I get it, I get it, and that's your opinion. But I don't like it." But then they say something that shows that have no comprehension of what I think or believe. And this lack of attempting to comprehend it creates a lot of confusion and miscommunication. I can't even begin to say how often people think I'm being rude when I'm certainly not. My boyfriend gets it, thank god, but those who don't take the time to get to understand me don't get it at all.
 
#43 ·
The purpose of this thread was to discuss the name-calling of other people animals.

And little to nothing else.

I JUST stated what was meant my comment, and you said that you do not give respect to those that have not earned it. In what way does that relate to name-calling another's horse unless you mean to say that someone whose horse you don't find attractive is not worthy of your respect?

Either I've not understood your beliefs wholly, or you are talking yourself in circles.
 
#45 ·
Well, essentially this discussion has run its course. The rules here are to respect one another's feelings, including the ones that you feel are unwarranted. If you choose to ignore such rules, then your posts will be flagged and you will be removed.

But you're ok with that.

So I think that sums it all up.
 
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