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        06-28-2013, 11:37 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Yes. We have chains on all of our gates all ready. So only human hands can leave them open.
         
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        06-29-2013, 08:42 PM
      #12
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ForeverSunRider    
    This might turn into somewhat of a rant, and so I'm sorry for that lol.

    I have a kind of delicate issue going on at my barn currently. It's been going on ever since some friends of ours moved their step daughter's mare to our barn - about a year.

    First off, they bought this mare without ever seeing her, never did a test ride, and didn't set up a trial period - which most of us know, is not the way to buy a horse. They bought her because "she was a good deal" and "all horses are the same."

    This horse is a lot of horse. She needs an experienced rider. Intermediate or beginner won't do. And the rider is not experienced. I've been riding my entire life and I can tell just from watching the mare, that she'd give me a run for my money. And I've ridden everything from dead broke bomb proof horses to green, unbroken ones.

    The girl who rides her is not experienced at all (she rides once a week in the summer, doesn't touch the horse in the winter). She's afraid of the horse. The mare is big, powerful, and extremely cocky and flighty. She's afraid of the normal stuff, and trailers, lead ropes, and halters. She's head shy and aggressive.

    It's just a very bad match. Because the girl is afraid of her horse, she lets her get away with just about anything. However, despite being afraid of her mount, she refuses to send the horse off to be trained. What's also odd is that this girl is so possessive of her horse. So much so that she wont let anyone touch it. Neither my mother nor I (both who have been riding for 20 years) have been asked not to mess with her. However, given a little effort, either one of us could turn that horse into a perfect animal.

    In addition to the problem horse, the rider is careless. She's young (13) so I'll give her that. But in the time her horse has been at our barn, she's let the entire herd out three times. The way we have it set up with them is that we feed in the morning, and turn the horses out and then they feed and turn them in at night.

    On three occasions, we've received a call from them telling us that our horses were out. I tell you what, running around at 12 AM searching for horses all over fields and roads is NOT fun. Where we are, there are barbed wire fences in the farmers' fields, and coyotes.

    It almost happened last night as well. I checked the barn when I came home from work at 2 AM and found both the gate leading into the barn and the gate leading from the barn to the pasture open. I searched our pasture, found, and stabled all the horses. In the dark. At 2 AM.

    So she's careless and is riding too much horse. And it frustrates me beyond belief. She also doesn't listen to any instruction anyone gives her. She's going to end up hurting herself, her horse, or any of the others.

    So how would you handle it? I'm sure you can understand the severity of the situation. She's endangering the animals, herself, and is just careless. My mom says we can't make her leave because she's our friend's kid and we're being nice.

    So, thoughts?
    You have more than enough reasons to ask her to leave. Is she not under age to be able to be on a horse property unsupervised anyways?? I would take the parents aside and explain that from a coach/student point of view, the situation needs to change. They either find a different horse, or go to a different trainer. The rider cannot learn on a horse that does not allow her to learn, and there is only so much you can do.

    I would advise the parents that she can no longer be left alone without adult supervision on the property.

    Friend or not, there is no reason you should have to tolerate this mess. Someone is going to get hurt, or there could be loss of life of a horse.
         
        06-29-2013, 09:00 PM
      #13
    Showing
    Ask you mom if she's prepared for a big fat law suit if someone should hit one of the horses and it goes thro the windshield. That's what happens. The horse's body slides across the hood and right thro the glass. Someone will be killed or severely injured. Since you mother is receiving money to board horses she is ultimately responsible. I wouldn't want to hear what the judge would say to know that she is trusting a minor of only 13 years to lock the gate. The fact that your mother was being nice doesn't cut it in court.
         
        07-01-2013, 09:30 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    They were feeding at night to make up for the fact that we're not charging them. Them being good family friends, combined with the fact that they can't afford to pay our boarding fee is the reasoning behind it.

    My mom took them off the feedings though since the last three times I went out there none of the horses were fed. So now my mom does the morning feed and I do the night feeding. Hard to do since I work from 5pm-2am but we manage.

    Glad we got it all fixed.
         
        07-01-2013, 09:40 AM
      #15
    Showing
    So now you're doing all the feedings and they're boarding their horse there for free? Doesn't mean the kid won't still leave gates open, or that your mother is free and clear of any liability if/when the horses get out again. That child is too young and inexperienced to be unsupervised around horses, so when she gets hurts I hope your mother isn't surprised when her 'good friends' decide to sue for medical coverage.
    boots likes this.
         
        07-01-2013, 10:08 AM
      #16
    Yearling
    I'm in a similar situation in that, I'm an adult but I keep my horse at my parents who also board 2 other horses. I am also the most experienced of everyone there.

    Here's my thoughts on your situation. So you have the feeding / getting out issue covered. Good.

    Now for the girl. If that girl were at my parents place, you can bet everything you own that I would be making sure my PARENT's investment was being protected. By that I mean, I would make sure my parent's had a WRITTEN agreement prepared BY A LAWYER releasing them from all liability were this "boarder" is concerned. Good family friend or not, when push comes to shove your parents will be held responsible if something were to happen.

    AFTER that is in place, all you can do is step back & stay out of the way. As much as it is going to drive you up the wall to watch & not do anything ( TRUST me!!! It. Drives. Me. INSANE!). The only time you can step in and say anything is when it directly affects your horse (or your mom's).

    Then again, if they aren't paying for anything, I may be inclined to go the "if you don't like how we/I want things done safely, feel free to leave at anytime..." route. It's not like your parents are making any money letting them board there.

    Actually, I'm sort of leaning towards the "get with it, or get out" mentality at this point.
         
        07-01-2013, 10:35 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    Me too. But it *is* my parent's barn, not mine. I'm out there the most and do about 75% of the actual work, but still. We do have notices and signs posted on all the gates leading out, the tack room, and the feed room, as well as where we keep our hay, that basically state that if you injure yourself while messing with your horse on our property, that we are not to be held responsible for your injuries. We keep our pasture and riding area's terrain smooth, so if you're in the pasture, it'd take some massive skill to hurt yourself or your animal.

    We do have our state law on equine ownership/boarding posted as well. It says basically the same thing. Not sure how well that'd hold up in court, but I just hope she doesn't get herself, anyone else, or any of the horses hurt.
         
        07-01-2013, 11:39 AM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by busysmurf    
    I'm in a similar situation in that, I'm an adult but I keep my horse at my parents who also board 2 other horses. I am also the most experienced of everyone there.

    Here's my thoughts on your situation. So you have the feeding / getting out issue covered. Good.

    Now for the girl. If that girl were at my parents place, you can bet everything you own that I would be making sure my PARENT's investment was being protected. By that I mean, I would make sure my parent's had a WRITTEN agreement prepared BY A LAWYER releasing them from all liability were this "boarder" is concerned. Good family friend or not, when push comes to shove your parents will be held responsible if something were to happen.

    AFTER that is in place, all you can do is step back & stay out of the way. As much as it is going to drive you up the wall to watch & not do anything ( TRUST me!!! It. Drives. Me. INSANE!). The only time you can step in and say anything is when it directly affects your horse (or your mom's).

    Then again, if they aren't paying for anything, I may be inclined to go the "if you don't like how we/I want things done safely, feel free to leave at anytime..." route. It's not like your parents are making any money letting them board there.

    Actually, I'm sort of leaning towards the "get with it, or get out" mentality at this point.
    I agree with this 100%.
         
        07-01-2013, 05:17 PM
      #19
    Super Moderator
    Its not fair to the other boarders there to have a child like this that has no sense of responsibility and puts their horses at risk
    Have you thought about calling the parents every time she leaves a gate open and the horses get out - they should bring her over to help get them back in - might teach her a lesson.
    Has your mother ever talked to them about what she's doing and that the horse is too much for her? They might not realize whats going on
         
        07-02-2013, 12:58 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    Its not fair to the other boarders there to have a child like this that has no sense of responsibility and puts their horses at risk
    Have you thought about calling the parents every time she leaves a gate open and the horses get out - they should bring her over to help get them back in - might teach her a lesson.
    Has your mother ever talked to them about what she's doing and that the horse is too much for her? They might not realize whats going on
    Her parents are aware, yes. She feels really bad every time she does it. I can tell my mom is getting sick of it real fast. I'm thinking her time at our barn is coming to a close. Hopefully. I was real upset when, the last time they got out, we brought them back and their legs and chests were all cut up and bloody. A cut on my horse still hasn't healed fully. It was all I could do not to bite her head off. Ah well.
         

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