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post #11 of 41 Old 06-13-2013, 08:03 AM
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I didn't read through all the comments but I'm 100% agree with you, to no end does it frustrate me to see a horse rider combo, that I know can walk trot and canter go in the walk/trot class, just this weekend I participated at a dressage show there was a walk trot test, I did it as my horse still hasn't mastered that right canter lead, a girl who I know goes out competing official on her pony and wins did the walk trot class, and won it.
I'm not upset because I lost, there was no way I would of win but everyone else in that class was put at an unfair disadvantage.
It just peeves me
Are there no competitions where people previously placed first or second are excluded? (restricted) as compared to the open classes?
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post #12 of 41 Old 06-13-2013, 08:06 AM
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It sounds like your show had 'open' w/t, not restricted or novice. I use open w/t all the time to train. That's kind of the purpose. Because of that, very few shows I've been to include w/t in the highpoint.

I can completely understand where you're coming from, tho. IF the entry numbers are there, you could ask to have a restricted or novice w/t class(s) put in.

What REALLY gets me (always has) are riders who enter novice w/t that don't qualify.
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I can't make too much comment, but our walk/trot classes are designated (not by word, but by the fact that the rider cannot enter or warm-up at a canter at the show or they are DQd) by green/3 solid gaits/finished.
I know if my horse has the potential to enter and place in w/t/c classed (of which the majority of classes are at most shows), why would I limit myself to just the walk/trot classes? That's why I like our shows, we compete against riders of our own level (even though the horse can be green or finished).
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Typically, you are supposed to show one level under what you're training at home. That way the horse isn't pressured to perform the best it can at its highest degree in a higher level of stress.

If you are training 3ft jumper at home, you show 2"6' or 2"9'. This way, showing is easy for you and the horse. When you level out at 3ft (if you don't go any higher or want to) then you show at 3ft only when it becomes the normal height for the horse and doesn't have to be trained for it anymore.

If you show w/t, you should be training w/t/c at home so the w/t at the show will be easy.

There is such a thing as taking advantage of lesser classes with this thinking so you have to do it responsibly and smart. But this is what I've always been taught.

If your little horse placed in the top 3, you shouldn't be complaining. There's room to improve but she gave you her best. Especially against more mature horses.

The attitude you're portraying shouldn't be in a show ring, IMHO. You knew what the class was like and what kind of horses were in there. There are age specific classes for young horses to show in. Find one of those. Approaching the councel to change a class because you didnt win a blue when you were familiar with the rules and what you'd be showing against is a bit if bad showmanship. It's not like you didnt know.

If you want to compete against green horses, go find classes for them and compete. But don't try to petition a class for changing the rules. You knew the rules, you accepted the rules when you entered the class, and you placed high. Why are you angry?

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Are they showing the canter and walk/trot classes? In the open shows I attend, if you ride in a canter class you can't do the walk/trot.
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So you'd like them to leave the show? It's hard with just two divisions to have people compete only with "people of their level" they have the choice to show or not show at this event basically. Yes these people should probably show at bigger shows, but you mentioned they do that already, that they show all over. Maybe this is a tune up show for them? While its a bummer to think they're at this small show because they know they'll win, use it as motivation. Any other emotion towards it doesn't better yourself or your horse.

Thank you for accepting my devils advocate tone. I do absolutely see/feel your pain but I'm thinking you're learning the lesson that everyone who's ever shown has had to learn....things don't always feel fair.

Only about 45 competitors total is pretty small. The fun show I attend (meant for schooling and starting out in showing, it's a laid back atmosphere meant for learning) gets that many riders in the 12&under and 13-17 divisions alone. There are then fewer 18-39 riders and 40&above. The riding association also has what they call an open show with divisions specifically for professionals or green horses, not both together necessarily. The show you're describing sounds almost like a schooling show am I right? If so you may be even more locked into accepting just the two groups of riders and just striving to do better each time.

Placing at her first show, and up in the top third, is a great accomplishment. You already touched on this point in the OP but there's a saying I saw floating around the Internet that basically says at the end of each class you should pat your horse on the shoulder and thank them for working with you as a team because they didn't have to and infact could've made your life/ride horrific. At this early stage of training take these classes as places to practice and work hard and if your rewarded materially then that's Great. If the horse rewards you physically by working hard feel good and maybe look into bigger and better shows.

I wish I could say more. You could always propose more divisions but realize there is a very real possibility you'll be shot down.
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Oh no, no. I don't want them to leave. I would just rather like to see them showing in the divisions they should be showing in. For example some should just show in the 13-16 (w/t/c) class and others in the 35 & over (also a w/t/c class). I feel like I'm making the show sound only like a w/t show. Also, this is not a schooling show. This is just a open show that many people come to. Thank you for your comments and reminders, I truly appreciate them.

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Are they showing the canter and walk/trot classes? In the open shows I attend, if you ride in a canter class you can't do the walk/trot.
This, no cross entries if you are walk trot for that show, then you should not enter the canter class, JMHO.
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@gigem88- We have the same system as you do. Riders who show in the w/t/c division cannot show in the w/t division and vise-versa.

@Copperhead- Actually I'm doing exactly what your saying. I've been doing lots of work with my lope and all that stuff. However, Faith isn't ready to show in the w/t/c division not quiet yet. I was planning on showing her showing her at those classes towards the end of the year, and hopefully by then Faith will be very supple, soft, and collected at the shows. At the same time, I'm not pushing it. I don't plan on throwing her in the arena at a w/t/c class until she's ready. I'm sure she'd do good (behavior wise--not acting like a young 3 year old) but she may get in the way of some of the other kids. I should've also mentioned that when my horse placed at the top 3 that was the only show she did so at, and that being the only class without the people and their incredibly broke horses. I don't think I explained my situation clear enough (something I'm not good at).

I'm not angry at my horse at all, actually I'm very proud of her for doing so well. To tell you the truth, I'm not angry at all. I'm just confused as to why people with very broke horses (and with riders that aren't green) are showing in the w/t classes. I've always been taught that the w/t classes are for the green horses and riders, not for the rider that isn't green and her broke horse to get more points, etc. Now that the riders with the broke horses are entering in these classes Faith and I aren't being looked at by the judge because the judge is more fixed at the other broke horses. But of course some people are taught differently about each thing, especially w/t classes. But to be honest I didn't know what kind of horses would be in the w/t classes, as what I was expecting (green horses and riders). At the show I wasn't the only one who was concerned about the other people entering in the w/t classes when they should be entering in the w/t/c classes. A lot of the riders with the green hoses (and the green riders) weren't expecting being put up against high level show horses and riders.

Hopefully that makes it a little more clear.

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Are there no competitions where people previously placed first or second are excluded? (restricted) as compared to the open classes?
Well the people who place 1st and 2nd in each class (excluding w/t) go to the championship class for each discipline.

I've never heard of people being excluded from a class if they placed 1st or 2nd. I'm assuming you may have that kind of system?

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I think what Clava meant there was that some shows have stipulations where the w/t, green classes are for people or horses who have not yet won or placed in a class before. One of the local horse clubs around me has a rule that if the horse has won 3 pleasure classes, or the rider has won 3 eq classes, they are no longer allowed to show in the w/t or green classes.
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