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        06-13-2013, 01:33 PM
      #21
    Yearling
    If the rules on the show bill state you can't cross enter, or w/t is ONLY for riders who haven't done xyz. Then no, riders who are in w/t/c classes shouldn't be in a w/t. BUT if it's an open w/t, then people who enter w/t/c classes have just as much right to be there as you do.
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        06-13-2013, 11:37 PM
      #22
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by kenda    
    I think what Clava meant there was that some shows have stipulations where the w/t, green classes are for people or horses who have not yet won or placed in a class before. One of the local horse clubs around me has a rule that if the horse has won 3 pleasure classes, or the rider has won 3 eq classes, they are no longer allowed to show in the w/t or green classes.
    Huh I've never heard of that one before.

    @busysmurf- I believe the show bill states that you can't cross classes with w/t and w/t/c.

    Anyways, thank you guys for the replies. I've lightened up a bit and I think I'm just going to ignore it. Might as well set a standard for myself, makes it much more fun to work to get something for my horse and I.
         
        06-13-2013, 11:53 PM
      #23
    Trained
    The rules here are, if the horse and rider pair have ever entered a walk/trot/canter class before, they cannot go back & compete in the walk/trot. Any show, anywhere. Good rule I think.
         
        06-13-2013, 11:56 PM
      #24
    Trained
    I'm probably going to irritate somebody with this but here goes anyhow. Are you riding for the ride or the ribbon? If it's for the ribbon, then go to Walmart and buy an award ribbon for a buck and save the show fees. If you're riding to give your horse experience at the show and to build your relationship with your horse, then it doesn't matter who's in the WT classes. If these are just open/playday kind of shows, what does it matter anyhow? You're just going for the fun right?

    I have a young stallion who's very green under saddle and we're doing a lot of WT stuff right now. We COULD probably go in the WTC classes but why? He's getting a good foundation, learning to rate his speed, how to be mannerly in the ring and how to behave in mixed company (they don't waste the Regumate on in season mares at these little shows). I feel like he can have this one more season (he's 3) in the WT classes and either at the end of the show year we'll move up or we'll move up next year and then we'll go strictly breed shows. In the meantime, we're having fun. If we win....yay!.....if we don't but we did our very best and he behaved.....yay! If he acts up, we go back to schooling in the warm up. We're meeting nice folks and enjoying ourselves. What else is there?
         
        06-14-2013, 12:01 AM
      #25
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    I'm probably going to irritate somebody with this but here goes anyhow. Are you riding for the ride or the ribbon? If it's for the ribbon, then go to Walmart and buy an award ribbon for a buck and save the show fees. If you're riding to give your horse experience at the show and to build your relationship with your horse, then it doesn't matter who's in the WT classes. If these are just open/playday kind of shows, what does it matter anyhow? You're just going for the fun right?

    I have a young stallion who's very green under saddle and we're doing a lot of WT stuff right now. We COULD probably go in the WTC classes but why? He's getting a good foundation, learning to rate his speed, how to be mannerly in the ring and how to behave in mixed company (they don't waste the Regumate on in season mares at these little shows). I feel like he can have this one more season (he's 3) in the WT classes and either at the end of the show year we'll move up or we'll move up next year and then we'll go strictly breed shows. In the meantime, we're having fun. If we win....yay!.....if we don't but we did our very best and he behaved.....yay! If he acts up, we go back to schooling in the warm up. We're meeting nice folks and enjoying ourselves. What else is there?
    I really like this, thank you. This is a good reminder for myself, and also other riders.
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        06-14-2013, 12:03 AM
      #26
    Trained
    True enough Dreamcatcher, but you are following the rules, not going to other shows & showing in full classes, then coming back to W/T. We don't want to scare newbies off from showing by getting their doors blown off at every show, they are what keep the entries up & shows going.
         
        06-14-2013, 12:22 AM
      #27
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by waresbear    
    True enough Dreamcatcher, but you are following the rules, not going to other shows & showing in full classes, then coming back to W/T. We don't want to scare newbies off from showing by getting their doors blown off at every show, they are what keep the entries up & shows going.
    I agree with that. Most of the shows I've been going to say, no cross entering in WTC classes and they specify either ages for the humans and/or ages and skill levels for the horses. The classes have averaged 15 entries in the Ammy classes and between 15-20 in the open ones. I enter all of 'em, I'm an ammy riding a 3 y.o. Stallion, I figure he needs all the exposure and schooling he can get. The would allow me to enter in a WTC class for schooling only and I'd just turn my number upside down so I wouldn't be judged. At $8/class or $56 for the day, it's not like I'm going to be out major money.

    Here's a little sample from one of the little shows I go to:

    OPEN ALL BREED -
    ADULT
    35Open Adult Showmanship
    42Open Adult English Pleasure W/T
    46Open Adult English Pleasure
    52Open Adult English Equitation
    62Open Adult Beginner Trail*
    (*If you are in Beginner Trail you cannot select any other Trail class*)
    63Open Adult Western Trail
    70Open Adult Greener/T/Grass W/T
    72Open Adult W/T Western
    77Open Adult Greener/T/Grass W/P
    78Open Adult Western Pleasure
    85Open Adult Horsemanship
    96Open Adult Western Riding
    91Open Adult Reining
    101Open Adult Stake Race
    108Open Adult Pole Bending
    115Open Adult Barrel Race

    So I can go in 3 walk/trot classes each day, $24...Yeah, that's a BARGAIN and LOTS of good experience for the horse.

    Heh heh, last year I thought about doing the beginner Trail class.......yeah........NO....Skippy said, "WTH????" and let me know real quick we had not worked on that at home and he wasn't interested. LOL!
         
        06-14-2013, 12:26 AM
      #28
    Yearling
    I hear you - at my local show there is no WT class for open class, and going through 4H is incredibly difficult and many of the parents and kids in it are catty and the project is unorganized. I want to go have fun, I don't care if I take home any ribbons. I ride out of that arena feeling accomplished and didn't come close to winning, much less placing. Other people are riding out of there crying because they didn't pick up blue ribbons in WT classes on their dead broke horse who has been shown nation wide. I signed up in all open classes this year, and I only had one western pleasure class to choose from. I will have to drop out of it because there is no way I can take my green gelding into a ring of other horses and get him to lope without ending up in a pile.

    I honestly don't think I will ever enter a WTC class again, and I only felt pressured into entering this one. Just because my horse is 8 years old and was started at three doesn't mean he is ready to enter a class like that. Don't get me wrong, he's a good horse, but I go to a show to have fun! But I feel like there is some sort of stigma around a horse that is even remotely ready should be moved up. Just because he canters under saddle doesn't mean I have any business flying around a western pleasure ring at mach five.
         
        06-14-2013, 02:58 PM
      #29
    Foal
    I think I understand what you are trying say. I've always shown at the local/open show level and in 4-H when I was younger and it's always bothered me when people way over qualified show in classes beneath them just as a gimme class (I just witnessed a couple weeks ago someone I know like that who chose to enter a class last minute because they saw how easy it was going to be to win) or sometimes even show at these shows at all. I understand that some people view these shows just as "schooling" shows for themselves as practice for bigger shows, and if you have a young horse and are just trying to gain some experience then I could understand that. It's the people that have Congress level horses that show breed shows on a regular basis and do well that come to these small shows just for the heck of it that really bother me. Maybe it is just fun and practice for them, but to everyone else who this is the only shows they ever go to, it matters more than that and they're not giving these people a chance. I feel that is what's wrong. There's one person I know of here that has a relatively famous horse (has a Breyer like toy horse made for him) and they show this horse at these local shows. Why? I just don't get it. I think that's an example of bad showmanship and rudeness.

    Then there's also the people who buy their kids, again, national breed show placing level horses just to show at these shows and the fair alone so that they can win every class and not even really have to try. They are all about winning, most don't even seem to care about their horses or have fun, they trade them out for a new model every year, all push button nonsense. Again, a couple weeks ago I watched one of these families that are regulars around here's horse with a tiny little girl on it's back in the ring, the horse knew the routine and what they were saying to do over the speaker and did everything for the girl while she just bounced around and never gave a single cue. I don't see the fun in that or how you could ever be proud of your ride. These people need to move up in order to challenge themselves.

    I mean do you think it's fun for kids to go to a show and know they have zero chance of ever winning in some of these classes no matter how hard they work as long as they can't afford a $10,000+ horse? Some will view it as a challenge and work harder, sure, and I think I did pretty well and was proud of myself for every win I earned, but the western pleasure classes were still always a bit out of my league and there was nothing I could do about that since I wasn't willing to trade in my horses every year for a newer model. Because to me it's always been about the horses first and my love for the animals themselves, and competition second (and I am pretty competitive by nature, not a here's a ribbon for everyone, let's not keep score kinda person lol). Wow, I got a bit carried away there lol....sorry about that. So final thoughts, not saying that these people shouldn't show or even necessarily that more rules should be made, it is a free country after all. Just saying that I don't get it and that it can be pretty frustrating.
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        06-14-2013, 05:57 PM
      #30
    Super Moderator
    I don't really understand 'walk trot' classes but can only think that it would be judged on how well each horse performs at those paces and the best one wins
    A class specifically for a green horse or green rider would be a good suggestion with the ruling that they can't enter any other classes and some sort of time period on how long they can compete in 'green horse/rider classes for
         

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