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post #1 of 18 Old 06-11-2008, 10:56 PM Thread Starter
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Is it just me? Can anyone else see the danger in this? HELP

Okay, a little background
One of the girls is teaching the horse she rides to rear up on command. The horse she rides is ONLY ridden by her (no one else likes him), he's REALLY intellegent and knows when to do things and when not to. Not that I approve of it, but if ANY horse HAD to be taught how to rear, Levi would be the one because he knows better than to do it without us asking.

Okay, back to my rant/help problem hehe...
Well another one of the girls told me tonight that she wanted to teach the horse that she rides to rear on command. TOTAL NO for me because
1) the horse already rears if she gets mad at the rider (she has reared on me at least 20 times when I asked her to do something that she didn't want to do)
2) she is ridden by COMPLETE beginners..though she can be a brat...she is a great beginner horse and is trustworthy, but she can be marish at times

I told the girl that I thought it was a bad idea and that since she does rear at times without us telling her to, that we should NOT encourage her to rear. Now talking to that girl is like talking to a brick wall.
She starts getting all defensive...calling me a know-it-all (I guess I'd rather be a know-it-all than shut up and wiat for someone to get hurt because of the mare)...and then saying "Just because you own a horse doesn't make you always right"

Since I see the BO tomorrow (yes I get to talk to her first *evil laugh* hehe 8) ) I'm going to let her know of the girls plans and let hte BO that I do not approve of it at all and will explain to her why. Now I personally don't think the BO would say yes to the girls request, she needs the mare for lessons...she has a part disabled lady that rides her for lessons and she can't have the mare rear on her...if she does the lady falls off (she has no use of her lower half....she can walk...but felling at all in her legs).
So I'm not too worried about the mare actually being taught it WITH the BOs permission, I just have a feeling that no matter what the girl WILL teach her how to rear.

I'm the one that breaks the horses of the bad habits that they get while being used for lessons...whether it is bucking when asked to canter, not taking the jumps, not stopping on trails, not standing still to be list can go on and I don't want to deal with a horse that rears all the time.

Also another tid bit of history...the mare (named Star...I'm tired of calling her the mare hehe) and I have gone wayyyyy back. I love her to death. She was the horse I was originally going to buy, but didn't pass the vet check . I really had to retrain her and put a good 100 hours into her. She was able to listen fully to my voice and legs (no arms needed), was practicually bombproof (I did everything I could to desensitize her), and worked on ALOT of stuff with her, so anything that happens to her...both training wise and health wise I hate because I put so much time into her and I love her so much.

What are ways (that a 13 year old girl btw) can understand the reasons why NOT to train Star how to rear? How can I explain to her the dangers of her being taught that?

Any ideas?! HEEEEEEELP
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post #2 of 18 Old 06-11-2008, 11:07 PM
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I want to kill girls like the one you're talking about.
Teaching a horse to rear on command is fine if you plan on keeping the horse forever. If not, then it's not a good idea. Somewhere down the line someone can sell the horse without warning the person and the horse might rear because it was accidentally cued.
To do it on a beginner's lesson horse is idiotic. Beginners make mistakes as is, and they don't know what they're doing they might cue the horse to rear without even knowing it. It is very dangerous.
Just tell your barn owner. Obviously this girl doesn't want to listen to you and needs to be told off by an adult.
Not much you can do other than keep an eye on her and tell your barn owner about any developments. It's a very dangerous situation, and if the kid does teach the horse to rear, well if I were the barn owner, she'd be kicked out faster than stink.

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Yes, it is dangerous!

If I understand it correctly the girl who wants to train the horse to rear on command is only a SOMETIME rider, not the owner.

You folks have a duty to provide safety guidelines and your clients, like the parents of this ill-informed young teen need to be aware of the rules and supportive of them. It is a safety hazard to teach that horse to do something that could hurt someone else.

And like any kids will do, once they see one horse doing it, they want all of them to do it. Stand up for the horse, and the clients who cannot handle surprises like that. Meet with the parents and keep a close eye on the kid with the horse make sure she understands the risks to other people, even if she does not seem to care. She needs to know it it not good practice to teach a horse to misbehave,
Maybe illustrating it like with a younger brother or sister who wants to do some forbidden thing like climb on the garage roof or write on the wall. If she teaches them how to do it she is as responsible for their misbehavior as they are, especially if they get hurt.
At thirteen, she does not like to be told what to do, but she is old enough to know what is right and what is risky. And she needs strong adult guidance to keep her focussed. Good luck .
Let us know how it goes.
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I agree with JDI, it makes me sooo angry when people are ignorant like that. Definitely talk to the barn manager. Maybe encourage her to sit down and have a "chat" with this girl and tell her something like, "we can't allow you to teach this horse to rear. If we catch you doing it, we're going to have to ask you to leave." Or something like that.

Poor mare, I hope she doesn't hurt anyone. That IS really dangerous and stupid and I hope this girl gets some sense!

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No offense but your barn owner really needs to get her head out of the clouds and figure out whats going on round that place.
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its definately dangerous. Once a horse is taught something, they will tend to do it all the time. My horse knows several non-dangerous tricks and she does them all the time, not just when I ask her to. The same would probably happen with rearing.

If this girl won't listen to you there's not a lot you can do... I guess just talk to the BO. that's all you can do really. Some people just can't be told.

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When I got Pistol as a 3 year old he reared. He reared when he was in a good mood, when he was mad, when he was bored, when he couldnt think of anything better to do... he reared..

I was 15 going on 16 and I thought it was way cool. I gave it a command! OH BOY, look at my horse, he rears....arent' I cool????

FAST FORWARD 21 YEARS! He's 24 years old now and STILL rears. I must say it was not one of my brightest moves. I will never sell him, he would hurt someone or they would hurt him... I can't let other people ride him, he rears! It's dangerous! Yeah...

When you are a teenager, it seems like a pretty cool move but I must say... it's not.....
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the BO knows nothing of the one girl wanted to teach the mare how to rear...she knows about the gelding, but that gelding will be with her forever, really only one person rides him (well I do too but I can handle him with no problem) and he's not a beginner horse anyways so she kinda approved of it, (but little did the girl know that he already knew how to rear on command from a previous owner hehe)

I'm definately going to talk to the BO about it and like I said I highly doubt she'll approve of it, it would totally amaze me if she told the girl to go ahead and teach her how to rear.

I just want her to realize that more than likely the girl WILL teach the horse to rear even if the BO said no (yes she's that type of girl). If the BO does not approve of it, then I have the right to correct the girl when riding the horse if she tries to teach her how to rear.

I just want some ideas on how to convince the girl that it IS dangerous...I've tried the whole "Star is an animal and animals can do things without....." yeah you get the idea....and I've tried the "It's a bad habit and one that she'll do even without a cue...." but she still won't listen.
Any ideas?
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So wait...these horses all belong to the BO? I honestly wouldn't be letting ANYONE teach ANY of my horses tricks.

As for training a beginners' lesson horse to rear...that's just plain dangerous. Even if the mare didn't have a history, it would be dangerous. No other words for it.
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Rearing is best left in the Zorro and Lone Ranger movies, IMHO. Even our breeder/trainer friends would never teach that 'trick'.

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