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post #21 of 32 Old 10-10-2009, 10:26 PM
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I agree with MIEventer. My horse is a lifer. I'll keep him way past the point where he's competitive, into his old age and the last part of his life as a pasture ornament. I love him too much. I also do think that people become part of a horse's herd, and that they do get attached to us. I could not explain how my horse behaves around me any other way, nor could I explain our bond. My horse is my best friend. I'll never leave my human best friend, and I'll never leave my horse best friend.

People can believe what they want, but my horse sees me as a leader and a friend.

I give myself very good advice, But I very seldom follow it
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post #22 of 32 Old 10-11-2009, 08:30 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you for your replies. I have to admit I'm surprised at how many people would be willing to ship their horse. I just figured not that many would even bother to try.

We have an expensive hobby don't we? lol
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post #23 of 32 Old 10-12-2009, 03:12 AM
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I think you should just ship her over, 12 is by no means an "old" age for a horse. If you are this torn at even just the THOUGHT of leaving her, imagine the heartache of ACTUALLY LEAVING HER.... She is your pet and companion, and wheras Saskia seems to(IMO**) see horses as merely another thing to be bought enjoyed and sold( a hobby, kinda like an atv with that eats hay), obviously you don't feel the same way, so i wouldn't let those posts influence you at all because they are coming form a completely unrelated perspective, just an owner of horses, not an animal lover who sees a horse an a friend and pet. (*****I am not saying Saskia does not love animals and i am not being snipey, its just that the opinion from that perspective and your situation is like comparing apples to cabbage, no relevance, sorry Saskia not trying to pick on you******)

If anything agree to pay your rents back for a bit or all of what they spend on you to bring her over if it lessens your guilt, just dont let that guilt cause you to make a decision you will regret.

***** I am not saying any of this because it is what i'd do, i am saying it because it is more than clear that you dont want to leave your companion behind, and you have the option to take her with you, embrace the fact that you have that option and begin the process so you can get her over here!!! Dont stress over it anymore, good luck!!

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post #24 of 32 Old 10-12-2009, 04:59 AM
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how much would the shipping cost you??
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post #25 of 32 Old 10-12-2009, 05:51 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you for the encouraging words Honeysuga! I guess it is pretty clear I want my girl to come with me huh? lol

bubblegum- the cost varies. I've been told it will cost around 8,000 euros. Which is around $12,000. (I'm probably wrong with the exchange but that's the exchange somebody else told me.) Like I said its a big expense and commitment.

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post #26 of 32 Old 10-12-2009, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Honeysuga View Post
(*****I am not saying Saskia does not love animals and i am not being snipey, its just that the opinion from that perspective and your situation is like comparing apples to cabbage, no relevance, sorry Saskia not trying to pick on you******)
Yeah am not taking it personally or anything. Perhaps I should explain my position a little more, I think I came of a little harsher than I meant to. Tis long winded - skip over it if you like.

I love and respect all animals a lot. I am vegan and have never intentionally eaten an animal, nor have I ever intentionally hurt one. My oldest cat is 14 and we (he lives with mum currently) will keep him forever. I have spent thousands of dollars on our dog for surgery (my mum spent her money on cosmetic surgery - still not over that, your teenage unemployed student daughter should not have to fork out for that) to keep her alive for a while longer. I love animals.

To me though horses are not just animals you keep around. For one they cost A LOT more. You can feed a cat for $10 a week, but in my experience for a horse you are looking at $100+ a week. To me horse riding is a hobby, and something that I wanted to compete in. My first horse I got when I was 11 and was a little galloway who was sweet and all, and he taught me how to fall of, and then how to not fall off, and how to do all these things which was fine. After a year or so though I was getting tall for him, and I wanted to do showjumping, something that he had no aptitude for (my shoulder lives to tell the tale). Sure I could have kept him forever, and had a horse that was too small for me, and been constantly frustrated when he didn't perform how I wanted him to, and he could be constantly uncomfortable being pressured into doing what he didn't want to do. Instead I sold him to a lovely girl with a farm who was looking for a second horse to do mounted games and pony club which he was perfect for. As far as they know, about 8 years on, they still have him, the mother uses him for a trail horse or something.

My next horse was a schoolmaster showjumper who taught me all about that, and I then purchased a rising two year old to train myself. Then my parents told me that I couldn't keep two horses as it was costing too much, so I sold the schoolmaster (wasn't that upset - he wasn't a people horse).

Couple of years on and my baby was a 5 year old and for reasons I needed to leave home, and my mother said she would not continue paying, and a 17 year old out on her own finds it difficult to afford a horse, so I sold her. I miss her, and I still visit her, and I keep in touch with her owner who adores her, and does little dressage comps, and endurance rides (never thought a 17hh clydie cross would be good at that) and I think she is in a better situation than I could have given her, given my financial situation. She is the only horse I ever regret selling, and its not that actual selling her, looking back I know it had to be done, its that I will never have her again.

Its hard selling horses, and everyone I sold I cried for, and missed, and regretted it for weeks after but I think if I would have kept my first horse then I would have had to choose between the horse as a pet or horse riding as a hobby. I don't know if people here can fork out $100 a week for a pet, I can't.

Again, as I said I would sell a purely competition horse at around 13 - 14, in my situation if I wanted to keep competing I would need the money from the first horse to finance the next - much over 14 and they really drop in value. To OP, if you horse is healthy you can probably get another 6 years of competition out of her, maybe more, and more riding after that. Her age will probably in no way affect her transportation, nor will it hinder her in other aspects.

Still $12,000 to send her over. That is a lot of money to me. I get like $180NZD (around $130US) a week (for rent, food, everything), and I have never lived in a house owned by my family, my mother was a single mother always renting. To me that is a lot of money.I just couldn't justify spending it on that. But I guess if you have the money then do it.

This may be contrary to what I said before but I am a firm believer in no regrets. If you think you are truly going to regret it forever if you don't bring her over, then bring her. Regrets haunt you forever. Even if it turns out bad its better than it eating at your for eternity. Money comes and money goes, its just paper. Although be aware whenever I come into money it goes, so my philosophy may not be the greatest. But I don't have regrets, not ones that will eat at me at least.
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post #27 of 32 Old 10-12-2009, 07:51 PM
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Saskia- I understand and respect your position completely, seeing as i am consequently in a very similar one myself, thankfully mom is caring for Dom for me until i am able to...
And that last paragraph was very nicely written btw, that is a good philosophy. I am glad you didnt take what i wrote personally as i meant no harm, good to see!

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post #28 of 32 Old 10-12-2009, 08:19 PM
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*Appluads Saskia*

I see horses exactly the same way you do. If I kept all my horses for life, I would still own an 11h welsh pony. I would squash her if I got on. I would not be riding right now.

On the same note, I do have a forever horse, my pony, Wildey. I just don't/can't commit to keeping every horse I own for life, and I intend to progress and keep doing things I love, which I couldn't do if I was limited to the one horse for life.

I could not fathom spending $12,000 to ship a horse. I love Wildey, but if I HAD to move, I would leave him behind with people I trust. It is such an expense, and in my opinion a traumatising event for them, and how can you even know that they would choose this option? I love Wildey, but I don't fool myself into thinking that if he never saw me again he would be heartbroken. He has his grass, his buddies, and his pasture to run in; He is happy.

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post #29 of 32 Old 10-13-2009, 05:35 AM Thread Starter
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Well we found out yesterday after a trip to the vet that Mandy (my mare) is basically ours forever. The vet found that her back is a mess. Her bones are too close together and when she goes into frame they rub against each other. She will still be rideable (I know that's spelled wrong) but I have to train her muscles again as if she were a baby. Seeing as this is going to take some time (LOTS of lunging), I know nobody is going to want to buy a 12 year old horse with back problems.

So I guess its bitter sweet news.

Oh and wild_spot- I'm glad to hear you have people you can trust to keep your horse. I'm not exactly in the that situation especially with the news I just got yesterday. Also I would love to have her in a field where she could run with grass and buddies to hang out with. (that is why I really want her back in the states.) She is now stalled 24/7 unless I take her out. It is not my ideal situation but it is the best we can do where we are living.

Again thank you for all the opinions. I am definitely taking each one into consideration and thinking of all aspects.

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post #30 of 32 Old 10-13-2009, 08:40 AM
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id ship her, you dont want to sell her and then regret it for a really long time, if shes that special of a horse, id do whatever i can to keep her
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