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        02-20-2012, 03:26 PM
    Numnah is a word like gymkhana and jodhpurs that was brought back to Britain from India.

    In India it was a dust-cover or a cloth to protect something.

    Strictly speaking a numnah as riding tack is a light weight cloth that goes under an English Saddle and it's purpose is to protect your expensive English Leather Saddle from sweat and muck from the horse.

    A well fitting English Saddle really shouldn't need anything but a thin cotton numnah underneath and merely to stop your saddle getting dirty from the sweat of the horse.

    With an English saddle the optimum is not to have anything under it at all. Don't forget with an English saddle you should not (ever) use thick cloths or saddle pads at all. Pads and thick cloths under an English saddle that fits will make it so it doesn't fit.

    This is more critical with an English saddle than a Western because it has a reduced load bearing area. (Though IMO, no matter whether you ride English or Western, the saddle should fit and without the need to compromise by sticking quilted pads underneath.)

    Nowadays though folks are manufacturing great thick quilted saddle shaped pads and calling them "numnahs" but really they're saddle pads and not at all appropriate for use under an English saddle unless by someone whose kidding themselves that they're going to make their ill-fitting saddle more comfortable.
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        02-20-2012, 04:58 PM
    Foxhunter, a lovely thread which brought a smile to my face several times.
    Even though I often post on what are essentially American forums, I sometimes ignore the differences in the two languages.

    It is only when I am listening to a guy from New York talking with a Texan, that I am reminded that there is more than one version of the American

    What is perhaps important to we horse lovers who ride 'English' is that there seems to be different terms used in 'horse speak'. I am never sure what 'two point' nor 'hunt seat' describes. Maybe someone could explain, please.

    There again to define riding 'English' as being a system devised in England is perhaps also a misnomer when one thinks that the system defined as 'English' is used by almost every country in Europe.
        02-20-2012, 05:22 PM
    Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
    I am never sure what 'two point' nor 'hunt seat' describes. Maybe someone could explain, please..
    yes please, I am curious too.
        02-20-2012, 05:35 PM
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    Last time I was in the US, I was just outside Kansas City to meet with a group of internet friends.
    Honestly we had such a laugh I was hurting most of the time.
    The last night we went to a restaurant to eat, think it was one of the 'Outback' chain but not sure. Tables had been booked as there were about 26 of us. They must have moved things around because we were all together and in an extra large booth.
    We were enjoying each others company and I was asked to tell the tale of one of my adventures whilst lambing as several had not read it when I originally posted it.
    I was seated roughly in the middle (of one side) of the table and telling the story. About halfway through I heard the silence of the other diners. There was no buzz of conversation, very little chinking of cutlery and as I looked across - could see some of the waiting staff hanging towards our group, listening.

    I stopped speaking, not sure whether to continue or not, when a man with a very southern drawl called out, "Please ma'am, I want to hear the ending!"

    I admit that I have a good carrying voice, learned from teaching riding in an outdoor arena with nothing between me and the continent but a wire fence, but I never realised it carried that well!
    Oh, I did finish the tale even though it was against me.
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        02-20-2012, 05:42 PM

    That looks like a Frank Imperatore van, and they were considered the shizzle when I was coming up. They were preferred to trucks and trailers in certain circles because you didn;'t have the hassle of hooking up, and they were easy to learn to back up. (Backing a truck and trailer, particularly a bumper pull, is something to learn.)
        02-20-2012, 05:47 PM
    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    almost nobody over here uses straw anymore unless for foaling or allergies, and nobody that I've ever heard of feeds linseed & split peas! I'm guessing the speedi beet is either shredded or pelletized beet pulp (leftover after processing for sugar?) that's designed to absorb the water
    what a lot of information was in your post!

    I'm genuinely surprised about the straw bedding. Here, if you have the space for the muck heap then straw is the cheapest and easiest bedding. Why isn't it popular with you?

    My mare is allergic to grains. The basic mix we have over here contains barley, corn, wheat - all of which she can't eat - and so linseed (pelletised) and split peas are the straights out of a basic mix that she can eat.

    Speedii-beet is indeed a quick-soak sugar beet. Normal sugar beet takes an overnight soaking, whereas speedi- beet is safe to feed in half an hour.
        02-20-2012, 09:01 PM
    During my EMR course there was a nice British kid and when he said he was going out for a fag everyone just killed themselves laughing! He was such a good guy. Then when I was working in an ambulance my partner was British and oh my god he was the funniest person I have ever met. He taught me all kinds of fun words, such a colorful way of speaking.

    Edit: whoa, didnt see that this was such a long thread, I can see my reply is a bit out of place now haha
        02-20-2012, 09:39 PM
    Originally Posted by Shropshirerosie    
    what a lot of information was in your post!

    I'm genuinely surprised about the straw bedding. Here, if you have the space for the muck heap then straw is the cheapest and easiest bedding. Why isn't it popular with you?
    We mostly use either wood shavings or pelletized wood bedding because it's much more absorbent and odor killing than straw. Straw gets wet and heavy, hence we use it for foaling because it's generally not dusty and is better for foals who lay flat out, but otherwise it's pretty out of favor. I use a combination of the pelletized wood bedding that breaks apart into sawdust when it gets wet and really fine shavings. I also have a 'motorized' manure fork that does the sifting for me and it just doesn't work as well with straw. It also decomposes faster than straw.

    Touching on the hunt seat topic, we also have saddle seat here in America that was developed mostly for the gaited breeds. Their show classes are called Country English Pleasure, English Pleasure and Park. When I first got involved with Arabians and Saddlebreds I had never heard of those classes, had only seen one or two saddle seat riders in my whole life and was at a horse show and kept waiting for the English Pleasure (called HUNTER PLEASURE in these breed shows) and kept seeing these people all dressed up in day coats, bowler hats and riding these flat seated, cutback saddles and posting like they had a stick up their .....well anyway, I was very disappointed because I never saw what I was looking for that day. I had some learning to do!
        02-21-2012, 07:24 AM
    But Hoopla, whilst the British may be good at sarcasm and double entendre in spoken English towards eachother, the practice of the technique in written form on a forum where the majority of the readership is young American is not kindly practice.

    Perhaps only Aussies have a knack of understanding exactly what the unrecalcitrant Pomm has really meant to say and only they from downunder manage to spit back in appropriate repartee.

    The real meaning and the impact of the sarcasm is always lost on those whose language is different be the languages at first glance very similar. We Brits in times gone by have been described as 'Perfidious Albion' and our forbears have too often deserved the insult. Arrogance often invokes aggression and in simple debate it is not appropriate.

    This thread is all about language and is an attempt to bring about mutual comphrehension in the horse world. The aim is not to start WW3.
        02-21-2012, 07:51 AM

    All fascinating stuff Barry.

    But the way I see it this is the interwebz and what makes life much more interesting is the rich tapestry of culture and language. The eclectic mix of individuals and the opportunity to interact with folks from different cultures.

    Diversity is good and works for me.

    Furthermore I've been around long enough to know that those in the horse world are opinionated. Multi-opinionated! And each and every one of those opinions, even if fact free or held from a position of ignorance is deeply held and defended.

    The day everyone is expected to dumb down or adopt a certain common language and style will be the day I will be signing up for WW3 or else calling in film producers to make the horse version of Stepford Wives.
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