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        08-19-2012, 11:49 PM
      #1
    Foal
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    So I have been leasing this beautiful mare since September 2011. I was leasing her 3 days a week with this other girl who also rode her 3 days a week. When signing the contract, the owner and the leasers agreed that the leasees can each do 4 shows this summer which I thought was very generous of the owner. I showed her in the 0.90m jumpers, and I won reserve and champion for all the shows on her . The other girl showed her in PT eventing, and I think she did pretty well too. With reasons, the other girl is no longer leasing her and I have to go down to 2 days a week since I am going into first year university. I considered leaving, however I stayed because I wanted to keep riding and keep riding this horse. So starting september 2012, I will be leasing her with another girl (she'll be riding her 4 days a week). My trainer and I have talked about showing next year, and we were planning on moving up to the 1.00m and the 1.10m jumpers, and also showing at Spruce and Bend. However, I just talked to the owner and she says that the other leaser is only leasing her until April 2013, and after april the owner will be taking her back and she will show her, but she didnt mention anything about kicking me off. She said I can do ONE show, and that SHE will be taking the horse to spruce and bend to compete next summer when she knew about my original plans made with my trainer. (She trains with the same trainer as well). I don't think its fair that she leaves for the whole school year (shes in 2nd year), and takes the horse back when really the leasers are the ones training her and conditioning her for the show season. Because the owner is away on vacation right now, I still havent received the contract for the new year so I can't really give out info contract wise. So here is my question. Should I keep riding this horse because I really like her and not show at all next summer, or lease a different horse that I can keep leasing and show? *btw I only have one more show season left on this current horse as she does max out at 1.10m.
    Please help!!!
         
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        08-20-2012, 12:08 AM
      #2
    Banned
    Well a couple of things, firstly - the owner is completely within her rights to do what she is doing and show at the shows you want to show at.

    Second, yes I think you should find another horse to lease. It's pretty clear you want to show and progress, you are aware that last year is your last anyway - so move on when your lease is up.
         
        08-20-2012, 12:16 AM
      #3
    Weanling
    Its her horse, the end. I know it sucks but it you don't want to have to deal with someone doing what they want with their horse then you need to take the next step and buy your own. She is giving you PLENTY of notice and isn't doing anything wrong.
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        08-20-2012, 01:06 AM
      #4
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by loveponyrider86    
    So I have been leasing this beautiful mare since September 2011. I was leasing her 3 days a week with this other girl who also rode her 3 days a week. When signing the contract, the owner and the leasers agreed that the leasees can each do 4 shows this summer which I thought was very generous of the owner. I showed her in the 0.90m jumpers, and I won reserve and champion for all the shows on her . The other girl showed her in PT eventing, and I think she did pretty well too. With reasons, the other girl is no longer leasing her and I have to go down to 2 days a week since I am going into first year university. I considered leaving, however I stayed because I wanted to keep riding and keep riding this horse. So starting september 2012, I will be leasing her with another girl (she'll be riding her 4 days a week). My trainer and I have talked about showing next year, and we were planning on moving up to the 1.00m and the 1.10m jumpers, and also showing at Spruce and Bend. However, I just talked to the owner and she says that the other leaser is only leasing her until April 2013, and after april the owner will be taking her back and she will show her, but she didnt mention anything about kicking me off. She said I can do ONE show, and that SHE will be taking the horse to spruce and bend to compete next summer when she knew about my original plans made with my trainer. (She trains with the same trainer as well). I don't think its fair that she leaves for the whole school year (shes in 2nd year), and takes the horse back when really the leasers are the ones training her and conditioning her for the show season. Because the owner is away on vacation right now, I still havent received the contract for the new year so I can't really give out info contract wise. So here is my question. Should I keep riding this horse because I really like her and not show at all next summer, or lease a different horse that I can keep leasing and show? *btw I only have one more show season left on this current horse as she does max out at 1.10m.
    Please help!!!
    The owner just emailed me the contract about 5 min ago - and the contract is a 1 year lease and it states that I am allowed to show the horse. That's the only thing written, nothing written about the owner showing. So I have been chatting with her online and she keeps avoiding the topic and she doesnt want to talk about it. I'm so close to just giving up and saying "I don't want to lease anymore" but we are friends and I do not want this to end on a bad note. And for those of you telling me to buy a horse, I absolutely DO NOT have time right now as I am moving into university and I did have to go down to a 2 day lease. I have talked with my trainer and once I finish 2nd year I am going to europe with her to look for a horse for me to buy, but for now, I would like to keep leasing until I am sure that I have the time to take care of my own horse.
         
        08-20-2012, 01:30 AM
      #5
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by loveponyrider86    
    The owner just emailed me the contract about 5 min ago - and the contract is a 1 year lease and it states that I am allowed to show the horse. That's the only thing written, nothing written about the owner showing. So I have been chatting with her online and she keeps avoiding the topic and she doesnt want to talk about it. I'm so close to just giving up and saying "I don't want to lease anymore" but we are friends and I do not want this to end on a bad note. And for those of you telling me to buy a horse, I absolutely DO NOT have time right now as I am moving into university and I did have to go down to a 2 day lease. I have talked with my trainer and once I finish 2nd year I am going to europe with her to look for a horse for me to buy, but for now, I would like to keep leasing until I am sure that I have the time to take care of my own horse.
    ONE more thing, haha sorry I keep adding things.
    Another reason why I don't want to leave this horse: I LOVE LOVE LOVE the barn I'm at right now, the people are so nice and they are all so lovely. And I love this horse as she really helped me gain my confidence back as the horse I leased before her wouldn't stop rearing, bucking and bolting. (Trust me, this horse wasn't green, she was 15yrs old and trained. She now lives in a field because her owner decided that she was too dangerous.) And also, if I say no to the lease now, the owner will have to find someone else to lease this horse but it is very stressful for her as she is leaving again for Uni in 2 weeks and she already is stressed out about other things...
         
        08-20-2012, 09:08 AM
      #6
    Green Broke
    When you lease a horse it's still not yours. The owner doesn't give up any rights to the horse unless they're spelled out. The contract doesn't say she won't show her horse and doesn't limit how often you do. You are just going to have to work of the schedule.

    Why would she want to limit how often you show? Aren't you paying for all that yourself anyway so it's no extra cost to her?
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        08-20-2012, 09:19 AM
      #7
    Banned
    I would keep leasing the horse until you have time to go buy and care for your own. The owner mat want to show her horse but, it's her animal not yours she can do as she pleases unless the contract states otherwise.
         
        08-20-2012, 10:09 AM
      #8
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
    When you lease a horse it's still not yours. The owner doesn't give up any rights to the horse unless they're spelled out. The contract doesn't say she won't show her horse and doesn't limit how often you do. You are just going to have to work of the schedule.

    Why would she want to limit how often you show? Aren't you paying for all that yourself anyway so it's no extra cost to her?
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    Yes, I will be paying for everything so she wont have to pay for anything. I think its just because she really wants to show (She has another horse that is leased out to other people, and she is also taking that horse back as well)
         
        08-20-2012, 08:01 PM
      #9
    Green Broke
    Keep leasing the horse if you like her, but be up front about what shows you want to do and make sure it's written up in the contract. However, if she's avoiding the subject and you can't seem to get a straight answer out of her, then pass and move on to another horse.
         

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