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Look What They Did To Him **Chinga**

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#1 ·
He was amazing again, I felt we were on top of the world. I felt he was my wonder horse. Now his ruined. My instructors coming out as soon as possible. But the "pony" I could do anything with, now won't even let me near him. Over the past two nights people have come into Chinga's paddock. The first night, they got into my tack shed and beat him with whips. We believe he was tied up, as he didn't run away. The second night they couldn't get into the tack shed, but they came back and terrirized him once again. The tack sheds are locked, everythings as safe as possible. But now I need to find somewhere for Chinga soon as possible.

Whats happening in the video:

1. His completely not happy and all I'm doing is holding a saddle blanket, he also kicked out and pawed a few times. Also tried to bite.

2. I flick a lead rope out gentally towards him proving I won't hurt him with it and he completely goes at me.

3/4. I walk up to him and he acts like this..

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I'm so sorry this happened to him, I didn't mean for it too happen. We are doing everything in our power to stop this. I just thought I'd share and hope for some advice.


 
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#79 ·
Originally Posted by ChingazMyBoy
Sadly I can't sell him. He literally is the only thing holding me together.
Is that fair to HIM, though? If you truly love the horse as you say you do, wouldn't you want what is best for HIM? It isn't about YOU at this point. It isn't his job to hold you together - it is YOUR job to do what is best for your horse and, frankly, you aren't it. The two of you are in a toxic relationship and someone is going to get hurt (as it is now, you are both suffering).
 
#80 ·
Honestly, I think all of your 10+ threads on Chinga's attitude change are ridiculous. You got all the answers you need in the first *two or three*, why do you need to keep changing your wording a little each time and posting for the SAME ANSWERS you know you will get every time you make a new thread? I can't help but notice you dodge everything in this thread that points to irresponsibility on your part. The truth of the matter is, one day one of the two of you is going to get seriously hurt. As mean as this sounds, I can tell you very few people on this forum will be posting sympathetically.

I have a bad horse. He kicks, he bites, he has no ground manners, and he's 1,700 lbs. I could have him sent to a trainer's for a few months to turn him into a rideable horse for my mom, but why would we when we can sell him and get a horse that has a good disposition? You can train a horse all you want, but his underlying disposition will not change with all the trainers in the world. I've accepted that, and that's why I'm looking to rehome him to someone who has the time and experience to put up with his crap and retrain him.

All we're asking is that you sell him already. It's cruel to him to keep him somewhere where he's not understood, and one (or both) of you is going to get seriously hurt.
 
#82 ·
With all the ups and down Chinga seems to be experiencing through reading your posts, he's either psychologically messed up, OR we're not getting the full story. I lean more towards us not getting the full story. I feel that every one of your posts are attention seeking, and that you're looking for a pity party. At this point I'm not even going to say get some training. What you fail again and again to understand is that HE IS TOO MUCH HORSE FOR YOU. And all the training in the world for him is not going to fix YOUR faults.

When I got Zeus a year ago I didn't think much of his rushing, ignoring my aids, and generally being a bully. I got to a point where I stopped cantering him, because I couldn't rate him and keep him in line. You know what I did? I switched my focus to ME. I stopped caring about his head, I stopped caring about looking pretty and I got my butt to a good, respected dressage trainer. A year later we've come so far. We still have a long way to go before I could fulfill my long term goal of doing some low level eventing, but we're well on our way.

At some point you passed the point of no return. Your horse does not change overnight like you think he does. You have good days and bad days, because of YOU. Now, because you've failed to take any kind of advice or admit that you're in over your head (for long anyway) ALL you're having is bad days.

If what you said happened to him really happened, that's terrible. But it just expanded an issue that was there from the beginning.

SELL Chinga. Get a REAL trainer (for you!) and get a SAFE horse.
 
#86 ·
I think you need to grow up and realize this horse is way way to much for you. You post over and over about Chinga and all the issues he has, yet you keep saying I need to keep him. Why? Why keep a horse that is obviously dangerous to you, whether its because someone beat him with a whip, or you are so frightened of him, he knows it and can challenge you and you walk away.
Some of your stories don't make sense, you can't catch him, he chases you, but after an hour he calms down enough to tie him to a trailer, then you can't approach him, you have to sneak up on him waving a blanket in front of you like a matador waving a red flag. I have never walked up to any horse holding a blanket like a shield, why would you do that? Who told you to approach him like that? When he is loose and you try to walk up to him, he charges. You take a rope and wave it gently in front of him to show him it won't hurt, he charges.........
I think you need to realize that he is not the horse for you , sell him and get a decent horse that you can control and is not dangerous and Chinga needs to go to someone who is not afraid of him... You are never going to be able to ride this horse safely, and I can't understand for the life of me, why your parents are letting you continue on with a dangerous horse.
One question I have, if Chinga got hurt badly and you had to take an hour to calm him down enough to catch him, how is a vet ever going to treat him? He could be seriously hurt and nobody could approach him. To me that is just crazy. I can tell you, working for a vet, if someone brought a horse, or we made a ranch call , and a horse behaved like that, most vets would not treat it until it was in a chute or stocks. How can you feel good about a horse that is so dangerous that you or him or somebody could be seriously injured???
 
#90 ·
Maddie I'm glad you've sent him to the trainers. But the problem is, a trainer is far more experienced than what you are, and Chinga will pick up on that. If the trainer doesn't back down when Chinga charges, and holds his ground, and really gets it into Chinga's head that the trainer is the boss and CHinga is not to lay so much as a hair on him then that's great, and Chinga may well behave himself for you for a short period of time. But then, as happens when you get a new horse, it starts pushing the boundaries again. And the second you show the slightest weakness towards him, exactly the same process will happen again, and we'll be in for another 10 pages of the same thread as this.

You may want to fight me tooth and claw for saying this, but Chinga is NOT holding you together. Is is causing you immense stress and grief. What WILL hold you together, is a nice, placid horse that loves company and will be your best mate, that you can hop on any time and not have to worry that you're going to get thrown. THAT is a horse that will hold you together.
Maddie so many of us on this forum have already been where you have. Having the horse that is just way above our heads. I have and I am not ashamed in the slightest to admit that I sold that horse. She almost killed me, I was 14 years old, she went for a bronc session and slammed me into a solid steel gate, fell on top of me then proceeded to try and kick me while I was down. Because I put my leg on her and she was in season. And I was absolutely **** scared of that horse afterwards, I wasn't able to walk for 2 weeks, couldn't ride for nearly 2 months and I was terrified. She was lovely on the ground, a real smoocher, and I said the same as you "She's my best friend, I love her and she keeps me together". Well you know what, Sails is now with a talented event rider and doing fantastically, I am a confident rider and now don't have a qualm about getting on breakers and 'problem' horses to sort out. Doesn't bother me at all. If I had kept Sails, I'd say that I would continue to be a nervous wreck around horses, with no confidence in my own abilities and feeling miserable as all hell seeing my friends having fun on their quiet and willing horses. Even if Sails never went through that bucking episode again, I suspect I would ALWAYS have that feeling of nerves on her, and a rider who fears his/her horse enough to not demand from them, is not a rider at all. You will not get anywhere with riding if you have that niggling fear constantly pulling at you, restricting you from doing things. It took me nearly a year to get the confidence to put my leg on a horse to send them forward without hanging off the reins for dear life.
You don't want to go there Maddie, you could be a very good young rider if you put your mind to it, but Chinga is not the horse that will get you there. They say things happen for a reason, and my god, that is the most hounest statement I have heard. At the time, when things are happening, they seem horrible and devastating and you feel like you'll never be happy again. But I tell you, years, maybe even just weeks or months down the track, you will realise that you made the right decision, you will feel a stronger person for it and be able to move on in life.

Please Maddie, you have to realise that Chinga is not a suitable horse for you. Send him to the trainer, get him going to a reasonable standard, then sell him on as an experienced riders horse, maybe as an eventing prospect. Yes, you will bawl your eyes out and think that you have done the wrong thing, but then, when you find 'the' horse, you will look back and realise that you have taken charge of the direction your life is going, decided to be the 'strong' person and really taken control of where you're going.

Coming onto a forum posting multitudes of threads about how perfect and beautiful your horse is, then a day later coming back saying he's nasty and scary, is not going to help you. A forum does NOT send you on your journey through life, it does not help you take control of your life and push yourself through it. In the end, NO BODY can help us, no one can make decisions for us. We are all on this world as individuals and nobody else can help us. They can assist us on our way and try to point us in the right path, as we on this forum are trying to do for you Maddie, but in the end, ultimately it is ourself as an individual who has to help themselves. I used to do the same as you, go crying to everybody I possible could to help me, I felt like I couldn't possible do things on my own and get past it, but when I never got that help I wanted, that IMPOSSIBLE help, I realised that it's every person for him/herself and if I wanted to improve my life and my mental state, I would have to take control and do it on my own.
And now, I haven't looked back, I am a happy, loud and quite charismatic person, get my hands dirty when I can and just lunge at every opportunity with both hands open. A huge change from the withdrawn, nervous wreck I was only a year or two ago.

Maddie, Help yourself and you will feel better for it. It is your decision whether you sell Chinga or not, we cannot decide for you. We have simply given you our opinions and the matter and now we can only sit back and wait to hear the next installment. Whether that is going to make us cringe because you haven't done the 'right' thing, or whether we smile and pat you on the back for taking a step in the right direction, we'll still support you.
 
#92 ·
Maddie I'm glad you've sent him to the trainers. But the problem is, a trainer is far more experienced than what you are, and Chinga will pick up on that. If the trainer doesn't back down when Chinga charges, and holds his ground, and really gets it into Chinga's head that the trainer is the boss and CHinga is not to lay so much as a hair on him then that's great, and Chinga may well behave himself for you for a short period of time. But then, as happens when you get a new horse, it starts pushing the boundaries again. And the second you show the slightest weakness towards him, exactly the same process will happen again, and we'll be in for another 10 pages of the same thread as this.

You may want to fight me tooth and claw for saying this, but Chinga is NOT holding you together. Is is causing you immense stress and grief. What WILL hold you together, is a nice, placid horse that loves company and will be your best mate, that you can hop on any time and not have to worry that you're going to get thrown. THAT is a horse that will hold you together.
Maddie so many of us on this forum have already been where you have. Having the horse that is just way above our heads. I have and I am not ashamed in the slightest to admit that I sold that horse. She almost killed me, I was 14 years old, she went for a bronc session and slammed me into a solid steel gate, fell on top of me then proceeded to try and kick me while I was down. Because I put my leg on her and she was in season. And I was absolutely **** scared of that horse afterwards, I wasn't able to walk for 2 weeks, couldn't ride for nearly 2 months and I was terrified. She was lovely on the ground, a real smoocher, and I said the same as you "She's my best friend, I love her and she keeps me together". Well you know what, Sails is now with a talented event rider and doing fantastically, I am a confident rider and now don't have a qualm about getting on breakers and 'problem' horses to sort out. Doesn't bother me at all. If I had kept Sails, I'd say that I would continue to be a nervous wreck around horses, with no confidence in my own abilities and feeling miserable as all hell seeing my friends having fun on their quiet and willing horses. Even if Sails never went through that bucking episode again, I suspect I would ALWAYS have that feeling of nerves on her, and a rider who fears his/her horse enough to not demand from them, is not a rider at all. You will not get anywhere with riding if you have that niggling fear constantly pulling at you, restricting you from doing things. It took me nearly a year to get the confidence to put my leg on a horse to send them forward without hanging off the reins for dear life.
You don't want to go there Maddie, you could be a very good young rider if you put your mind to it, but Chinga is not the horse that will get you there. They say things happen for a reason, and my god, that is the most hounest statement I have heard. At the time, when things are happening, they seem horrible and devastating and you feel like you'll never be happy again. But I tell you, years, maybe even just weeks or months down the track, you will realise that you made the right decision, you will feel a stronger person for it and be able to move on in life.

Please Maddie, you have to realise that Chinga is not a suitable horse for you. Send him to the trainer, get him going to a reasonable standard, then sell him on as an experienced riders horse, maybe as an eventing prospect. Yes, you will bawl your eyes out and think that you have done the wrong thing, but then, when you find 'the' horse, you will look back and realise that you have taken charge of the direction your life is going, decided to be the 'strong' person and really taken control of where you're going.

Coming onto a forum posting multitudes of threads about how perfect and beautiful your horse is, then a day later coming back saying he's nasty and scary, is not going to help you. A forum does NOT send you on your journey through life, it does not help you take control of your life and push yourself through it. In the end, NO BODY can help us, no one can make decisions for us. We are all on this world as individuals and nobody else can help us. They can assist us on our way and try to point us in the right path, as we on this forum are trying to do for you Maddie, but in the end, ultimately it is ourself as an individual who has to help themselves. I used to do the same as you, go crying to everybody I possible could to help me, I felt like I couldn't possible do things on my own and get past it, but when I never got that help I wanted, that IMPOSSIBLE help, I realised that it's every person for him/herself and if I wanted to improve my life and my mental state, I would have to take control and do it on my own.
And now, I haven't looked back, I am a happy, loud and quite charismatic person, get my hands dirty when I can and just lunge at every opportunity with both hands open. A huge change from the withdrawn, nervous wreck I was only a year or two ago.

Maddie, Help yourself and you will feel better for it. It is your decision whether you sell Chinga or not, we cannot decide for you. We have simply given you our opinions and the matter and now we can only sit back and wait to hear the next installment. Whether that is going to make us cringe because you haven't done the 'right' thing, or whether we smile and pat you on the back for taking a step in the right direction, we'll still support you.

Thanks for your advice but I would really like to have a trainer working with him day in day out for 90 days before I make a disision. The plan is that once he is looking 100% sound (Around a week) my instructor will send him to her trainer. Who delt with Billy, who was feral. Reared, kicked, bucked, biting, pig rooting, no ground manners what so ever. After 90 days of work with this trainer and my instructor continuing his work (What I will be doing, supervised by the trainer). Billy is the most amazing school horse ever, I want Chinga to have that chance. With a trainer who has the time, skills and experiance to get him there. He can only come out better, there is nothing to loose in this. The transition from Chinga being worked with the trainer, to me. Will not be rushed, this trainer is responsible, experianced, ect. I know I won't be put back into work with Chinga to early and in all seriousness. If he's to "big" for me at the end of his training then the trainer will have no second thoughts about telling me to sell him. THAT I will listen to, when Chinga's had a real chance.
 
#91 ·
Please, please read Kayty's post, Maddie. I know you don't want to hear it, but I think the post expresses the views of many members on here. All we want is to see a young girl brighten up and be safe with a good horse. You only have one life, and this isn't the way to spend it.
 
#93 ·
The problem is that Chinga has had too many chances already. He has obviously made you scared of him and unfortunately you can sing his praises from the rooftops all you like, but even after 90 days of training you are still going to be scared of him. He WILL know this.

It would be better for both you and Chinga if he went to someone who wasn't going to run away every time he throws a tantrum. Chinga deserves to have a productive & positive life and I honestly don't think he is going to get it while he is with you.

Unfortunately I also know that this is the same advice you have received over and over again and I know you won't take it. I just wish that Chinga wasn't the one who had to suffer for it.
 
#100 ·
Thats not suffering, thats needing someone to show him, to teach him, to understand him. Hence why he is going to a trainer. Yes, I will fight for my horse, because I was taught to fight for what I love and no matter how hard it gets to never give up. I'm not giving up. I'm getting help..
 
#101 ·
guys you cant try to guilt her ino it by saying the hrose is suffering, thats jsut not right. If hes a very dominant hrose (which i have no doubt in my mind her is!) then hes extremely happy right now, what dominant horse doesnt want a little peerson they can shove around? he gets fed, watered, and left alone, and if he isnt left alone, he can just pin his ears and lunge and then he WILL be left alone. I honestly cant iagine him being unhappy... but maybe im missing something
 
#102 ·
If his behaviour is as you have described it in you numerous posts he IS suffering. He is screaming at you that he's suffering, you're just not listening.

I will not get in to an argument with you, I am just urging you to do the right thing for your horse.
 
#106 ·
If his behaviour is as you have described it in you numerous posts he IS suffering. He is screaming at you that he's suffering, you're just not listening.

I will not get in to an argument with you, I am just urging you to do the right thing for your horse.
Sending him to a trainer is the right thing and everyone whos ever ridden, or done anything with him knows it.

Look at this horse and tell me his not happy, tell me he doesn't love doing what I do with him. Even when his scared, even when he doesn't understand he sill puts 100% in for his rider. Even when I mess up our striding into a jump, he'll still take a massive long spot to save us, even when my posistions crap he'll still push threw. Every time I fall he stops, even when we were in a 300 acer paddock, he could have ran if he didn't like what we were doing. AND he knew it :























Sure, they are only a few pictures. But a picture means 1 000 words. I'll straight out admit it MOST of Chinga's riding problems and ground manners are my fault. Because I've never had the confidence to deal with him or the experianced. But I took a stand. His going to the trainers, I'm taking lessons and ONE day, we'll make that perfect team. No matter how long it takes, I'm not giving up. We will get there.
 
#103 ·
Allright You guys this isnt worth arguing over. If she wount take your advice, aguing is not going to change her mind. She is obviously doing what she feels is right. Atleast she has a trainer. I know meny of you have seen people come through here and totaly ignore advice and think they can do any thing because they are the almighty horse person(NOT!) So just let it go.

Here is my advice wether you want it or not. You need to post pictured of these so called whip marks so you can prove that this really happend. I dont believe it because you have no proof (no the vid doesnt prove any thing to me) Then start a new thread about his recovery (mental and physical). you can listen to me or just blow me off thats your choise just remember that every one here cares about you and Chinga, there not trying to be mean.
 
#108 ·
I will attempt to get photos. But as you may have noticed I haven't upload photos lately as my camera is getting fixed. But I will attempt to use my phone to do it, but sadly the quality isn't that great. I'll see how I go though. I'll think about making a thread about Chinga's recovery. Although most likely I'll just put it in my diary and for those who want to read it they can.
 
#104 ·
Ridergirl, a dominant horse does not actually WANT to be the boss. Being the boss means they have to call all the shots, and when put in a confronting situation, the dominant horse has to take charge of the situation. Most horses tend to be far happier in themselves when they know where they stand. And I don't think Chinga is entirely sure where he stands. Yes he's a dominant aggressive type of horse, but I think it's very much a show, that is to hide the confusion he is feeling. Horses will react in one of two ways, fight or flight. And Chinga appears to react to pressure and confusion with 'fight'.
He definitely needs to be dominated and shown that people are not going to put him in a situation where he will be hurt. He does not have this at the moment, as Maddie is just not assertive enough to show him this, so he feels as though he needs to be the dominant one, because no one else is.
This horse isn't 'suffering' per say, but to allow him to continue on as he is would be very destructive to his mind and he certainly has the ability to turn into 'suffering' horse.
Maddie, I'm glad you're sending him to a trainer for 90 days and are getting involved in the process. I was under the impression that it was only going to be a short stint at the trainers like last time. If the trainer is willing to work with you to help overcome your own fears, it may well be the break that Chinga needs. But you HAVE to always keep in mind that just because he does well at the trainers and comes back all lovely, does not mean he won't turn on you again. He seems to be the type of horse that is always going to be pushing, and if you don't keep on top of that and nip it in the bud each and every time he tries it on with you, you will end up with him right back at the start and the money at the trainers will have been wasted.
 
#110 ·
I'm not sure if I should say thank you or not. But on the topic of him coming home and turning back into.. this. It won't happen. Because my instructor has sent so many horses to this trainer I am lucky, for two years after his training is ofically finished the trainer will work Chinga once a month and give me lessons on him once a week.
 
#107 ·
Maddie, I don't know what to say. You won't listen to anyone, and its just really irresponsible. This horse isn't holding you together. He's causing you more stress, and its just not right.

Even if you do send him to the trainers, Chinga will push the boundaries when he comes back and as soon as he breaks one, he'll just go back to being the same horse.

Believe me, I've been there. I went through this stage with Ricky, but the only reason why I'm keeping him is that I'm capable with him. I went through the whole aggression stage, but from the videos I've seen you are not confident enough to deal with these problems. The relationship with a horse should be 51% (you), 49% (horse) but Chinga is like 95% and you're 5%.

I think you just need to suck it up. You're 13, they'll be plenty more horses in your life.
 
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