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Look What They Did To Him **Chinga**

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#1 ·
He was amazing again, I felt we were on top of the world. I felt he was my wonder horse. Now his ruined. My instructors coming out as soon as possible. But the "pony" I could do anything with, now won't even let me near him. Over the past two nights people have come into Chinga's paddock. The first night, they got into my tack shed and beat him with whips. We believe he was tied up, as he didn't run away. The second night they couldn't get into the tack shed, but they came back and terrirized him once again. The tack sheds are locked, everythings as safe as possible. But now I need to find somewhere for Chinga soon as possible.

Whats happening in the video:

1. His completely not happy and all I'm doing is holding a saddle blanket, he also kicked out and pawed a few times. Also tried to bite.

2. I flick a lead rope out gentally towards him proving I won't hurt him with it and he completely goes at me.

3/4. I walk up to him and he acts like this..

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I'm so sorry this happened to him, I didn't mean for it too happen. We are doing everything in our power to stop this. I just thought I'd share and hope for some advice.


 
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#37 ·
He was amazing again, I felt we were on top of the world. I felt he was my wonder horse. Now his ruined. My instructors coming out as soon as possible. But the "pony" I could do anything with, now won't even let me near him. Over the past two nights people have come into Chinga's paddock. The first night, they got into my tack shed and beat him with whips. We believe he was tied up, as he didn't run away. The second night they couldn't get into the tack shed, but they came back and terrirized him once again. The tack sheds are locked, everythings as safe as possible. But now I need to find somewhere for Chinga soon as possible.

Whats happening in the video:

1. His completely not happy and all I'm doing is holding a saddle blanket, he also kicked out and pawed a few times. Also tried to bite.
He looks like one peeved horse. I think what scares me the most about this clip is that he's tied to a light trailer that isn't hitched to a truck - what if he pulled back? They aren't very stable un-hitched, please never do this again.
What I see is that you are terrified of him, and he has your card. He knows that if he acts pissy, you're going to retreat.


2. I flick a lead rope out gentally towards him proving I won't hurt him with it and he completely goes at me.
I would really like to see the entire clip, because from what I can tell, something happened before you cut this video in, and all we see is you flicking your hand at him, and him bearing down towards you, and "winning." He made you move out of his space... he won. I also don't understand why you would "flick a lead towards him to prove you wouldn't hurt him" - this does not make any sense, especially if your allegations about someone beating him are true.
In my opinion, there is something before the video cuts in that we aren't seeing.


3/4. I walk up to him and he acts like this..

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I'm so sorry this happened to him, I didn't mean for it too happen. We are doing everything in our power to stop this. I just thought I'd share and hope for some advice.

Have you called the police? Have you set up security cameras (if you want to try and catch them "red handed"), or have you set up other boarding arrangements?

YouTube - I could really use with a W I S H right now.
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#38 ·
That is horrible! Horses can change so quickly when they have bad experiences. It is not only that they are just aggressive. There was a mare I looked after for her owners for a while that was just so sweet. You could ride her bareback with just a halter and do anything with her. Then she started refusing to be ridden, threatening to buck and get me off. On the ground she got bad to handle with her feet and threatened to kick if I tacked her up.

She was taken back to the stables and I was asked to tack her up for my lesson. She tried to kick and bite the whole time! I had to get a stick and get the girth that way or she would have cowkicked me in the head I think. I of course was not going to ride her - and they gave me another horse. However another girl rode her and nearly got bucked off.

The owner looked at her feet after and trimmed them up to see if that was the problem. However I believe she had ulcers or something. She was fine just to be petted and led around, no aggression at all, but if she saw a saddle or rider she went bonkers!

I sure hope you can catch whoever is doing that and stop them. Hope you can regain Chinga's trust too!
 
#39 ·
To me, it looks like a horse that knows he's top of the pecking order. I'm inclined to believe that it is his personality, based on other threads I've seen.

I hope you called the police about the attacks. I curious as to what the motives of such an attack would be...seems very random. I suppose it's possible some people are just crazy.
 
#40 ·
I'm going to come right out and say what people are hinting about. I don't believe a word of the OP. The most telling thing about the post is when the horse is described as such a wonderful boy that she could do anything on when there are several threads about how she can't get the dink to run around her in a circle without jerking her off her feet and running off.
 
#48 ·
When I first saw this video, my immediate thought was: you are totally terrified of this horse and he is the boss. You can see it, you approach, he lays his ears back and charges and you go away. CHinga is the boss, not you.
My second question is: if you can't approach him without him attacking you or charging you, who caught and tied him up to the trailer?
My third thought is: if someone came around when I was inside the barn and was chasing my horse around, they would have been caught and held until the cops showed up. If your dad is that big, he should have chased them down and tackled them for animal abuse. Then if it happend like you said, he got tied up and attacked with whips, and there was a chance it have happened a second night, I would have been sitting all night waiting for another attack and they would have been really surprised to find me waiting.
I think you need someone to help you with a horse that is way over your head in experience.
 
#49 ·
She has already said that her trainer is coming out to help her. i have seen vids of her riding Chinga before. He doesn't seem like the same horse as before to me. And hell, I'd prolly run if my horse came at me like that. there's a diffrence in a dominant horse and a fearful one. I had a extremly dominant mare that would charge in the pasture, but since she wasn't scared of me she would allways turn last minute. She didn't want me dead, just gone. I have noticed this with other horses as well. Chinga isn't turning away. What I see here is a hatred of people, he doesn't want to be bullied so he's doing the only thing he knows to do. I'm sorry this happened to you, and yes it's gonna take a while for you to gain back his trust again. I wish you the best of luck.
 
#51 ·
His heart wasnt in it when he pinned his ears at her, Honestly, Im not there, and theres definitly some things you cant see in a video, but If she was confident (which im not blaming her in not being! geez, he dos look scary!) and stood her ground, i doubt he would actually hurt her, his chase was half-hearted, if he actually wanted to hurt her he would have actully chased her, not pinned his ears, did a few steps forward and then went to eat.
 
#50 ·
As much as I sort-of have to agree with everyone, all I have to say is just be careful and never make assumptions. I was always told that a horse will never run you over, they don't want to hurt you, and a lot of times I found it to be true- one horse I owned, however, was definitely NOT going to stop, she WAS going to run over me and I DID run away from her- stay safe, move slowly, and alwaysalwaysalways have a trainer or SOMEBODY else with you until you are absolutely completely confident that he isn't going to hurt you.
 
#52 ·
I am on the "I see a dominant horse and a submissive handler" side of the fence here. I see a horse that knows he has your card, and I can honestly say that if I were you I would be running as fast and as far as I could when he charged at me. It's good that you are getting your trainer out there to help you.
 
#62 ·
I would do some groundwork and demand respect... But I would keep a flag with me to tell him to pi$$ off when he did one of his fake charges. But that's just me, and it would probably depend on what exactly the horse was like.
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#64 ·
I would do some groundwork and demand respect... But I would keep a flag with me to tell him to pi$$ off when he did one of his fake charges. But that's just me, and it would probably depend on what exactly the horse was like.
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Yes! It definitely takes a LOT to be able to stand there and play chicken with an 1100 pound pissy animal coming at you, but remember horses are pretty relaxed and chilled out by nature, and I'm betting he would at the last minute chicken out.

I'm doing it on Sunday with Ice, we'll see how many buttons I can push.....
 
#63 ·
I just read yournew post, do a join up thingy! It sounds corny, but I find it works. If you do do it be gentle but firm, don't put up with his charging bull**** but dontbe a control freak, just gain respect. Remember: to gain respect, give respect, to gain trust, give trust.
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#66 ·
She's already been hurt MANY times by this horse, and no one over there seems to have a clue that it could happen again. They've been working with a trainer and two days alone and this is what happens? Maybe if he doesn't back off (which I really think he will), everyone involved will finally clue in.

It seems horrible to say, but if the big events that happened already aren't a big enough hint...maybe a big reaction to tweaking a button as little as the respect button might be.

Either way, under the observation of a trainer or not, she needs to be pushing him for something.
 
#69 ·
My second question is: if you can't approach him without him attacking you or charging you, who caught and tied him up to the trailer?


I personally think that is a very good question and one I'd love to hear the answer to. Just judging by the video, I wouldn't think you'd be able to get that close to him. Is there someone around you that is able to handle him?
 
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I personally think that is a very good question and one I'd love to hear the answer to. Just judging by the video, I wouldn't think you'd be able to get that close to him. Is there someone around you that is able to handle him?
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It took about an hour of calming him to be able to catch him.
 
#72 ·
Normally I would never say this and I'm sorry. If you came to me for help I would say:

I know this is the last thing you want to hear. I think you are in way over your head, and because of that both you and your horse are suffering. I think that unless you, not your horse, take classes to learn how to do basic things and how to work with your horse, things are just going to get worse.

I can clearly see someone who is afraid of her horse, which is probably the root of all your problems. Even if someone beat Gunther with a thorn bush and a club he wouldn't react like Chinga did. I'm guessing that this isn't the first time he has done this.

I really, really, hate to see a person and a horse like this. It makes it not fun for the rider or the horse. Maybe you should sell him? :/ I KNOWKNOW this isn't what you want to hear. I love hearing about your progress and your love of him to death, however I think it would be best if you found another horse. It isn't a crime, it's the right thing to do. You remind me of me when I was younger, right down to your words of choice.

If I could I would fly down and help you! But I can't

I think Chinga would be a challenge for even the most experienced horse person, no doubt. Let alone for one who is still learning? He is a very hot headed horse who is willing to take full advantage of you. Just from his attitude in that 3min? vid I would not want him. I would say get rid of him asap.

I HATE seeing you post things like this, it breaks my heart. Even though I don't post much I do read alot of your threads and to me you're like a little sister. And coming from big sister I don't want you to go through this.

:-( I just feel like you have used all of your resources and it's time. Get a horse that is worth the money you're putting into Chinga, one that is trustworthy and you can build a great relationship with.
 
#73 ·
Normally I would never say this and I'm sorry. If you came to me for help I would say:

I know this is the last thing you want to hear. I think you are in way over your head, and because of that both you and your horse are suffering. I think that unless you, not your horse, take classes to learn how to do basic things and how to work with your horse, things are just going to get worse.

I can clearly see someone who is afraid of her horse, which is probably the root of all your problems. Even if someone beat Gunther with a thorn bush and a club he wouldn't react like Chinga did. I'm guessing that this isn't the first time he has done this.

I really, really, hate to see a person and a horse like this. It makes it not fun for the rider or the horse. Maybe you should sell him? :/ I KNOWKNOW this isn't what you want to hear. I love hearing about your progress and your love of him to death, however I think it would be best if you found another horse. It isn't a crime, it's the right thing to do. You remind me of me when I was younger, right down to your words of choice.

If I could I would fly down and help you! But I can't

I think Chinga would be a challenge for even the most experienced horse person, no doubt. Let alone for one who is still learning? He is a very hot headed horse who is willing to take full advantage of you. Just from his attitude in that 3min? vid I would not want him. I would say get rid of him asap.

I HATE seeing you post things like this, it breaks my heart. Even though I don't post much I do read alot of your threads and to me you're like a little sister. And coming from big sister I don't want you to go through this.

:-( I just feel like you have used all of your resources and it's time. Get a horse that is worth the money you're putting into Chinga, one that is trustworthy and you can build a great relationship with.
Sadly I can't sell him. He literally is the only thing holding me together. We're giving him one more go, his got one more chance (With my instructors trainer, who I bet will be able to get him under control).
 
#78 · (Edited by Moderator)
I don't understand why you continue to post these threads. I think I've read 15 now that, after 8+ pages of advice, culminate in you still refusing to change anything. It's frustrating for the knowledgable people here who waste their valuable time trying to help you.
What has been said is correct. You need to sell this horse. Yeah, it sucks. I KNOW, I've been there. My first horse was a cheapo, barely-trained guy who had some serious psychological issues. I spent three years working with that horse - getting hurt, not having any fun, and finally ended up rehoming him. I'm an eventer, and he simply couldn't handle the pressure. Now he's living in a big field with a buddy, ridden like, twice a week in a bitless bridle and Aussie saddle, and basically just pampered. He loves it, his owner loves him, and they have FUN.
I had to accept that. Yeah, I spent a few days bawling my eyes out over selling him. But what helped me was immediately having something to fill the void - I had found an experienced eventer to lease for the competition season, and she arrived a day or two after Danny left. So I had something to keep me occupied. After she left, I was given a phenomenal horse, and I'm more attached to him than I could ever have imagined - and you know what? I can get on him, school 2nd level dressage, pop around a 3'3 course, do whatever, because I don't have to worry about what crazy stuff he'll pull!
Saying your horse is 'the only thing holding you together' is whiny and quite honestly, you come off as an attention seeking emo kid. Suck it up, grow a pair, and be a horseman - do what's right for this horse and find something more appropriate so that YOU can learn and grow. I spent three years not improving at all, and now that I have a great horse, I improve exponentially by the day. You need to do the same, and you also need a huge attitude adjustment. You're what, 13? At 13 everyone seems to think the sun shines out of their back side and they're god's gift to horse training. It doesn't, and you're not. Learn to learn.
 
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