Looking for former owner!! - Page 2

       The Horse Forum > Keeping and Caring for Horses > Horse Talk

Looking for former owner!!

This is a discussion on Looking for former owner!! within the Horse Talk forums, part of the Keeping and Caring for Horses category

LinkBack Thread Tools
    11-19-2009, 05:17 AM
Flanagan looks like a Gypsy Vanner to me - look up the web site for the exact breed description.

Sidcot is on the A38 just a few miles SW of Bristol airport.

If I were you then one fine day I would take a cheap day return flight from Schipol or Rotterdam and go an see. It is a tiny village in a rural area - someone will remember a striking horse like that.

Take the camera with you.

Gypsies - yes they would love him, perhaps too much.

Sponsored Links
    11-19-2009, 06:17 AM
Flanagan is a Vanner type yes. Kayla, the mare, is a cob.
I'm going to send a letter to that adres, maybe the people that lvie on that adress now may know where the former owner moved to.

Thanks everyone for your input.
    11-19-2009, 03:53 PM
^ Flanagan's profile under your barn says he is an Irish Cob... ?
He looks like a vanner, but you on the profile said he is an Irish Cob, so that would not make him a vanner
    11-19-2009, 04:23 PM
Here in Holland you have 2 studbooks, the Irish Cob society and one similar. The Irish cob is the breed, or as they're called here, the Tinker. And that breed has 4 subtypes, The cob, Vanner, Romany and scudder. Each have their different features but all are under the breed of the irish cob.
    11-22-2009, 09:13 AM
Try looking this website up : www.gypsyvannerhorsesociety.

Interesting as to the Dutch way of classifying a coloured horse.
Cob, vanner, romany & "scudder" are presumably all types and the terminology hints at a usage rather than breeding or conformation.
In the UK we would not normally nowadays think of coloured hairy, stocky, horses as Irish Cobs. But maybe that is because most horses in Britain are cross breeds not registered to any breed society.

The title "vanner" refers back to when horses were used to pull tradesmen's carts - ie milk carts, coal carts and small delivery wagons. In Britain after WW2 the horse slowly but surely was phased out by the "van" - ie a small commercial vehicle. The father of a friend of mine operated one of the last commercial stables in London down by the Elephant & Castle. Many of the horses he stabled were used in the London docks during the day and by the breweries at night. Invariably those horse would be called "vanners"

The "tinker" was a travelling salesman who had a horse and cart which wandered around the countryside selling various wares - especially pots and pans, haberdashery etc. He sold to inhabitants of villages and other outlying areas where there were no shops.

The cob - well he was a general ride and drive horse who could be used for both pulling carts and riding. This type of working horse found its way into the military and the police. It was also used for hunting and perhaps pulling light passenger carts. Cobs do/did not have much feather and in the summer their coats glisten.

If one today visits Appleby - up in Cumbria - each year there is a Gypsy fair - and there you'll find the smaller coloured ponies much beloved by Gypsies.

Twenty years ago - coloured horses were not in fashion - the preferred colour for hunting for example would have been bay or maybe black or gray. Even when I first started to ride back in the 1970s, it was still very unfashionable to own a "coloured" horse and certainly it was "not done" to go hunting on one. My beautiful Palomino gelding was unusual amongst a gathering of the inevitable bay geldings.

but what is a "scudder" ???

Having said all this, back in 2005 I had use over the winter of a magnificent black and white heavy hairy cob, who took me hunting up on the moors of the Black Mountains in Wales. His name was "Murphy" - as Irish a name as one can find. He was strong wilful and a touch stubborn but he was also beautiful with a surprising taste for egg and mayonaise sandwiches. No one knew where he came from but it was never suggested, other than by his name, that he came from Ireland. The suspicion was that he had been brought along by Gypsies as a youngster for sale as a trekking horse.
Murphy would go anywhere along with his mates but take him out on his own and he was prone to try to come home before the rider was ready.

    11-22-2009, 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by TwisterRush    
^ Flanagan's profile under your barn says he is an Irish Cob... ?
He looks like a vanner, but you on the profile said he is an Irish Cob, so that would not make him a vanner
Aren't they the same thing - just called different things in America and Europe?
I'd call Flanagan an Irish Cob
    11-23-2009, 06:46 PM
Look over on the Horse Forum/ Horse Breeds - "The Gypsy Vanner Debate"

Very hot topic so it seems.

    11-24-2009, 01:46 PM
Flangan - here is the breed standard I am been rabbiting on about.

A Gypsy Vanner is said to be a creation of the Gypsy from the interbreeding of a Shire, a Friesian, a Clydesdale and a Dales.

The GVH is a newly established breed/type created in the USA in 1996 and the standards are as follows:
Gypsy Vanner Horse®
Breed Standards for Stallions/Mares/Geldings
#1 Color:

The Gypsy Vanner Horse® is not a color breed it is a body type, therefore all colors, markings and patterns are acceptable. In honor of the British Gypsy heritage of the breed, the following names will be used to describe a Gypsy Vanner horses color.
A. Piebald: Black & White
B. Skewbald: Red & White, Brown & White, Tri-Color
C. Odd Coloured: Any other color
D. Blagdon: Solid color with white splashed up from underneath
#2 Height:
There are three height classifications, all having the same standards.
A. Mini Vanner: Under 14 hands.
Classic Vanner 14 hands up to but not including 15.2 H.
C. Grand Vanner 15.2 H and up.
#3 Body:
The Vanner has the look of a small to average size horse with a draft horse type body.
A. Back: Short coupled and in proportion to overall body
B. Withers: Well rounded, not high and fine
C. Chest: A deep, broad chest with well sprung ribs.
D. Shoulder: Sloping shoulder with well developed muscle
E. Hindquarters: Heavy, powerful hips with a well muscled rounded croup, tail not set too low.
NB Slab sided or severely sloping hindquarters are considered a fault.
F. Neck: Strong and of ample length, stallions must display a bold look with a rainbow (well arched) crest.
#4 Legs:
Clean, heavy to medium heavy bone set on medium to large hoof .
A. Front: Set square, muscular with broad flat well developed knees.
B. Rear: Hocks that are broad and clean, a Vanner will have the modified closer hock set of a pulling horse, but not as close as the modern draft horse.
NB Set back or sickle hocks are a fault.
C. Hoof : large round hoof , open at the heels with well developed frogs.
NB Small contracted hooves are considered a fault
D. Leg movement: Clean, straight and true with energy and a distinctive and effortless trot.
#5 Hair:
Ideal hair is straight and silky, with some wave, curl and body being acceptable,
NB kinky hair is a fault.
A. Abundant feathering should begin at the knees on the front legs and at or near the hocks on the rear, extending over the front of the hooves.
B. Mane, forelock and tail should be ample to profusely abundant, double manes are common but not required.
#6 Head:
A sweet head is a more refined head than a typical shire might have, set on a strong neck in harmony with the horses overall look.
A. Throat and jaw: Clean throat-latch and jaw.
B. Nose: Flat and tapered, a slightly roman nose is acceptable if it goes with the horses overall look.
NB A heavy roman nose is not acceptable.
C. Eyes: Any color, wide set, bright, alert and kind.
D. Ears: In proportion to the head, not too large.
#7 Nature:
A Vanner should be alert and willing with traits of intelligence, kindness and docility,
(ie a Golden Retriever with hooves®).

It would seem that even if a horse meets with the basics of the breed specification there are several areas which can make one horse more “special“ than another horse. Ie
The colour and shape of the markings
The texture and density of the mane, tail and feathers
The temperament & not least
The capability of the horse to pull a small wagon in a built up area.

Now in Holland you have all those lovely flat straight roads. You'll have to buy your Boy a Gypsy caravan


    11-24-2009, 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
Flangan - here is the breed standard I am been rabbiting on about.
Isn't that the American breed standard tho'?
    11-24-2009, 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by Lobelia Overhill    
Isn't that the American breed standard tho'?

Flanagan, your horses are just lovely, regardless of what you call them.

Your horse's name is actually my last name. Well, until I convince the future Mr. Speed Racer to marry me, that is!

I wouldn't worry so much about the Tinkers trying to steal your horses as me! But then, I'm only second generation American, so not that far from the Auld Sod.

Quick Reply
Please help keep the Horse Forum enjoyable by reporting rude posts.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
You know you're a horse owner when... MyBoyPuck Horse Riding 11 08-05-2009 11:27 PM
What to tell the owner??? Quest52 Horse Training 11 07-03-2009 04:23 PM
Help - New Horse Owner Michigan Horse Mom Horse Tack and Equipment 15 11-14-2008 12:45 PM
New owner, need help! funnygal Horse Training 14 01-05-2008 08:40 PM
New Owner Trying To Break leedee4 Horse Training 11 03-23-2007 03:07 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:55 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0