Looking at a horse but has low pasterns... advice please - Page 2 - The Horse Forum
 6Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 16 Old 10-02-2013, 11:13 AM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Italy
Posts: 508
• Horses: 1
I think it's fine if you link to craiglist, the pic is already around on the internet and not private.

Shire, so huge draft, means she's putting a lot of weight on those pasterns... if you decide you love her, have your vet check her and tell you an honest opinion. Of course it is you who'll pay the vet, even if you decide to not buy.
Cielo Notturno is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 16 Old 10-02-2013, 05:20 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Western Washington State
Posts: 84
• Horses: 2
I am sorry to see people linking the dsld page but I knew it would happen. My personal opinion is that a good many "dsld diagnosed" horses are actually horses that have suffered injuries and were left untreated. I think my stallion was one of those.

For what it's worth: Dr. Kellon's "study" isn't a study at all. It has no parameters, no study criteria and no control subjects. It's simply a bunch of people feeding their horses an herbal supplement that they buy from the women who run the dsld/equine yahoo group.
xlntperuvian is offline  
post #13 of 16 Old 10-02-2013, 08:04 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 5,685
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by xlntperuvian View Post
I am sorry to see people linking the dsld page but I knew it would happen. My personal opinion is that a good many "dsld diagnosed" horses are actually horses that have suffered injuries and were left untreated. I think my stallion was one of those.

For what it's worth: Dr. Kellon's "study" isn't a study at all. It has no parameters, no study criteria and no control subjects. It's simply a bunch of people feeding their horses an herbal supplement that they buy from the women who run the dsld/equine yahoo group.
Posting that link was for informational purposes only, I believe the OP saw it that way. If you have better, proven sources, by all means, educate us. After all, we're all can only suggest based on our own experiences.
deserthorsewoman is offline  
post #14 of 16 Old 10-05-2013, 12:35 AM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,435
• Horses: 0
Peruvian- my TB mare has DSLD. There is no way this disease is related to an injury. Dr. Kellen is a fraud- using her yahoo website to sell some herbs with little to no scientific backing and no controlled studies.

The University of Florida and the University of Georgia are both studying this disorder. I spoke to the pathologist at you of G and they believe the disease is systematic based on tissue samples. Injuries usually occur on one leg- not both or all 4 as is with this disease. Another researcher is working on determining the genetic basis so they can test for it. So far they have narrowed it down, but they still have a long way to go.

These horses do not respond to stem cell treatment, shock wave therapy etc. Best guess is that it is similar to Ehlers danlos syndrome in people.

Sadly people are continuing to breed these horses. I saw a WB stallion the other day with an obvious case. It is even found in some very popular TB bloodlines as well (Mr. Prospector).

I highly suspect Mr. Prospector had the disease as his racing career was ended due to ankle problems, his pictures show dropped ankles on both hinds, and at least one of his offspring developed the disease as well.
4horses is offline  
post #15 of 16 Old 10-11-2013, 02:14 AM
Foal
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Western Washington State
Posts: 84
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4horses View Post
Peruvian- my TB mare has DSLD. There is no way this disease is related to an injury. Dr. Kellen is a fraud- using her yahoo website to sell some herbs with little to no scientific backing and no controlled studies.

The University of Florida and the University of Georgia are both studying this disorder. I spoke to the pathologist at you of G and they believe the disease is systematic based on tissue samples.
I want to reply to your post but I am going to have to do it a paragraph at a time. Some of the information I have is on my old computer and I will have pull it out of the closet to access the information.

If you are at all familiar with the dsldequine group on Yahoo you know that the main target of that group is the Peruvian Horse. These people claim that dsld is prevalent in our breed, that it is genetic, and that "no Peruvian bloodline is safe" from it. I have had Peruvian horses since 1995 so I am no stranger to this group or to the stories, rumors, and theories that have been posted there.

Contrary to some of the claims being made, nobody really knows what dsld is, what causes it, or if it is even the result of a disease. There are a lot of self-proclaimed "experts" out there - like the women who run the dsldequine yahoo group - who claim it's a genetic disease. Research has been underway for over 20 years. To this date the research has not identified any gene(s) that cause dsld; so there is no genetic test for dsld.

The research that has been done has led to contradictory results. Research done in 2006 concluded that dsld is an "abnormal accumulation of proteoglycans" in connective tissues. Further research done in 2009 by a group of medical doctors and veterinarians "found no evidence that DSLD is a systemic proteoglycan deposition disease." (I have links to both studies if anyone is interested.) Some of the "control" horses in the 2006 study had as many proteoglycans in their cells as some of the "affected" horses but the research completely ignores this fact.

There is a test that has been touted as a way of identifying horses that are in the early stages of dsld. The "nuchal ligament biopsy" is supposed to identify horses with excess proteoglycans in their cells. But if the 2009 research is correct and dsld is not a proteoglycan accumulation disorder, then testing for excess proteoglycans is useless. Further, nuchal ligament biopsies have resulted in false positives as well as false negatives, so the test itself is unreliable.

A nuchal ligament biopsy involves slicing into the ligament that runs along the crest of the neck to take tissue samples. The nuchal ligament is a big ligament that supports the head and neck and is constantly in motion. After being subjected to this test many horses have had problems healing. One woman on the Yahoo list who had this test done on her Paso Fino said her horse's neck had become infected and the horse was still having trouble healing 6 weeks after the samples had been taken.
xlntperuvian is offline  
post #16 of 16 Old 10-11-2013, 04:09 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,435
• Horses: 0
I realize that it is a controversial diagnosis. I believe that there is a definitive disease process going on, even if it is not totally understood yet.

Why else would a horse who is not in work, within weeks have both hind legs swell up and drop? First one leg, than while the horse is rested for the first leg, have the second leg swell and drop?

Obviously it isn't injury related, so that means you have to have some sort of disease process going on. My horse was ultrasounded after the first leg swelled up- there were no tears or holes evident on ultrasound. Doesn't that exclude injury? Usually with injuries you have obvious tears on ultrasound examination. Now the ultrasound did show thickening of the ligament.

I don't see the point in doing extensive diagnositic tests. To me any horse who has dropped pasterns in more than one leg, probably has DSLD. Dropped pasterns, enlarged ankles, and a change in hind end comformation, all suggest DSLD to me.

Although a genetic marker hasn't been identified yet doesn't mean it won't be with further research.

"The genome scan identified five chromosomal regions where statistically significant differences were seen between affected and unaffected sample populations that could be indications of linkage to DSLD. Those chromosomes were: ECA 6, 7, 11, 14, and 26.

Further research needs to be conducted especially on ECA 6 and 11 since possible candidate genes are located in those regions based on the human comparative map.
4horses is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Low Set Pasterns? cowgirlnay Horse Conformation Critique 7 06-08-2013 12:44 AM
Horse Pasterns lifeisinhorses Horse Health 4 05-18-2011 08:08 PM
Horse with upright pasterns QHDragon Horse Health 10 03-12-2011 02:06 AM
Flexibility in horse pasterns?? APHA MOMMA Horse Health 6 10-18-2009 08:03 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome