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        10-17-2013, 10:36 PM
      #11
    Foal
    This behaviour has been apparent since day 1 and she certainly didn't arrive pregnant so its not that. They've only been together for about 3 weeks now.

    Edit: She didn't get pregnant through the electric fence. If she did it was meant to be and I'd call the foal Shocker.
         
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        10-17-2013, 10:44 PM
      #12
    Trained
    Ooops-my bad-sorry -missed that!

    OP-are you really that "innocent"? She most likely is no longer in heat because she has been bred. You need to get her the shot of lute, and him gelded, or put in an area FAR from her.
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        10-17-2013, 11:17 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    The OP has gotten solid advice and I HOPE HE HAS TAKEN IT SERIOUSLY.


    Though, to be honest, the "Shocker" comment makes me think he hasn't. As an adult, the OP knows about "the birds and the bees", so I will guess they intend the breeding.

    Does it make me a bad person to be amused....that a married man can't see that even if nine kicks land, the tenth try might be the charm? ;)
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        10-17-2013, 11:54 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Maybe I am innocent, stupid or both but I don't think she is pregnant. Her heat ended before they were put together and I am pretty sure he didn't breed her through the fence. The fencer is 6 joules and there are 3 strands. I hit it myself last week and it left my arm numb below the elbow for about an hour.

    I thought mares were supposed to end their cycles in general around september? This is what I've been reading anyways. Since the cycles appeared to be over I assumed they were safe to be put together?
         
        10-18-2013, 12:00 AM
      #15
    Yearling
    A mare and a stallion are NEVER EVER safe to be put together unless you want a foal. Heat or no. You have no idea what's going on when you aren't around, and I'd bet money she's been bred, whether or not she acts snappy when he comes near. A stallion's life mission is to breed, and he WILL do it. Seriously - since I've joined this forum there's been SO MANY "Oh, they were only together for a day," or "Can't be pregnant, she's not in heat/cycling," even "They're separated by a fence!" And BINGO, horse is pregnant. It's made me come to the conclusion that horses WILL have at it if you give them half a chance - and you've given them MORE than half a chance.
         
        10-18-2013, 12:20 AM
      #16
    Yearling
    It's like a horsey episode of Teen Mom....

    But we only did it once with out a condom! It takes more than once to get pregnant!


    Get a vet out, and separate them.
         
        10-18-2013, 12:32 AM
      #17
    Foal
    Thanks for all the concern about whether she is pregnant or not but I'm more worried about her kicking problem and her twitchy behaviour. And I will say again she has been this way since day one so I don't think the behaviour is because of pregnancy. I first thought it was because she was in heat and would pass once her cycles ended. Since it hasn't I am asking for advise on her behaviour. I also thought that since her cycle ended and her behaviour hasn't gotten better, it might of been because she was anxious about being separated from him. So I put them together and supervised. He attempted to mount her once and that was the last time. She went after him pretty good. I put them together for longer periods and he has not made a single attempt. After being present after much observation I decided to let them stay together. I was actually more worried about his safety as she is larger and her temperament was concern. She has actually been better to be around since they have been together. She can at least be approached and have a leadline put on. She'll come for treats but she does not want to be handled. An obvious move to handle her results in shying away or aggression. I usually bribe her with food and snap the halter on. I've tried grooming her daily to get her used to being handled. I thought I was making progress until she kicked me tonight. I was beginning to think she had been abused so I didn't want to be too aggressive because I didn't want to make it worse.
         
        10-18-2013, 12:36 AM
      #18
    Started
    I agree with all the possible breeding replies. Not only possible but likely.

    Regarding her attitude...she sounds really spoiled. She is a HORSE, albeit a really short one. Treat her like you would any other horse and get busy with ground work and making yourself the boss of the outfit! She will a lot better critter with structure and rules.
         
        10-18-2013, 12:37 AM
      #19
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by LittlemanRob    
    Thanks for all the concern about whether she is pregnant or not but I'm more worried about her kicking problem and her twitchy behaviour. And I will say again she has been this way since day one so I don't think the behaviour is because of pregnancy. I first thought it was because she was in heat and would pass once her cycles ended. Since it hasn't I am asking for advise on her behaviour. I also thought that since her cycle ended and her behaviour hasn't gotten better, it might of been because she was anxious about being separated from him. So I put them together and supervised. He attempted to mount her once and that was the last time. She went after him pretty good. I put them together for longer periods and he has not made a single attempt. After being present after much observation I decided to let them stay together. I was actually more worried about his safety as she is larger and her temperament was concern. She has actually been better to be around since they have been together. She can at least be approached and have a leadline put on. She'll come for treats but she does not want to be handled. An obvious move to handle her results in shying away or aggression. I usually bribe her with food and snap the halter on. I've tried grooming her daily to get her used to being handled. I thought I was making progress until she kicked me tonight. I was beginning to think she had been abused so I didn't want to be too aggressive because I didn't want to make it worse.
    Addressing statement 1: We know, and we're trying to GIVE you advice on her behavior! Pregnancy can and will make nasty behavior worse. And we're giving you sound advice based on what you've given us.

    Addressing the 2nd one: Do you KNOW that? Were you watching? Do you have cameras set up? If he mounted her once he will do it again.

    Just approach her like you would a normal horse. Go in, love her, feed her, and leave. Get her used to you, then used to her touching you, then slowly start to get her used to a halter and lead, etc. She's spoiled and gets away with too much.

    And for the love of pete, separate them if you don't want a foal. If you're TRYING to get a foal tell us already.
         
        10-18-2013, 01:01 AM
      #20
    Foal
    I don't want a foal now but I'm not dumb enough to think it can't happen. No, I can't watch them 24/7 but I do have two cameras that watch their pasture so I've spent more time watching them then you'd think. Both in person and on camera. Neither of them will get closer than about 3 feet because they want to be around each other but she will NOT let him touch her. Sometimes they get close when coming to me for a treat but she has kicked him for being too close. They generally graze about 10-20 feet from each other. This is why I think he hasn't mated her despite the possible missed instances while fast forwarding through surveillance footage or in the dark when the cameras can't see as far. Her demeanor is just too twitchy for him. I will separate them, just in case it changes.

    In the meantime I still have to deal with this behaviour. Should I react aggressively when she kicks at me? I am quite capable of going after her hard enough to scare the crap out of her without truly injuring her if that's what this situation warrants. I've not had to deal with a horse like this. No, I don't have a pile of experience. This is the third horse I have actually owned.
         

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