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        03-26-2014, 05:32 PM
      #21
    Showing
    Actually, it's illegal to allow a BLM mustang to be slaughtered. That's one of their stipulations to adoption, that you aren't supposed to sell the horse within the first year and it is not to be used as bucking stock or sent to slaughter. That's also why there are thousands of unadoptable culls standing around in holding pens all over the midwest, costing taxpayers money to feed hay every day.

    I have a mustang, he's one of the best horses I've ever owned. I intend to always have at least one in my barn. I don't want to see them all wiped out, but they need to find a better way to manage their numbers. What they are doing now simply isn't working. There are too many being bred and not enough being adopted and since they can't send them to slaughter, there is a massive surplus that we, as taxpayers, are going to feed for decades until the animals die of old age or sickness. When you're feeding 10,000+ horses daily, that adds up to a lot of hay and a lot of money.


    If I were in charge, I would go through and round them all up, cull the poorly conformed or nasty tempered animals and get rid of them through slaughter (yes, that may demonize me to some folks, but I am pro slaughter and mustangs are still horses). Then, turn the well conformed animals out onto the range, having roundups as often as necessary to cull more from the herds, including some of the younger stock, but also older broodmares and stallions too. Adopt the younger ones out and either sterilize and re-release or slaughter the excess. That way, the good stock is continuing to breed for good stock, there isn't a massive number standing in holding pens having to be fed every day, and there's still plenty available for those of us who actually are willing to adopt them and give them a good life.

    I am willing to bet that my boy much prefers having good hoof care, medical care, and easy access to good forage and clean water constantly without having to travel for miles and miles.


    And he still gets to play herd stallion without actually having to fight to the death


         
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        03-26-2014, 05:34 PM
      #22
    Trained
    The horses are feral, by careful management I think that viable numbers of healthy horses could be maintained, probably should be maintained.

    HOWEVER

    There is a growing number of people needing feeding, the pressure on resources is growing, and we need to manage everything better.

    To the OP, no I will not sign up to prevent death, it is a normal and natural thing to happen.I just believe that it is in many cases far more humane to administer a quick death to few, rather than a lingering death to many.
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        03-26-2014, 05:40 PM
      #23
    Foal
    I understand and respect and thank all of you for posting your opinion and posts here. Im sorry if I offended or upset any of you here.
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        03-26-2014, 05:45 PM
      #24
    Showing
    I don't believe there's been any offense or upset to any of us and I don't want you do feel like any of us are jumping down your throat for having different beliefs .

    We just tend to be very....vocal and blunt about our feelings about everything from bits, saddles, training, slaughter, or basically any other topic that may come up .
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        03-26-2014, 05:45 PM
      #25
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mustang Mare    
    i understand and respect and thank all of you for posting your opinion and posts here. Im sorry if I offended or upset any of you here.

    This is a hot topic for many, and both sides are passionate in their beliefs about the best way forward. Don't be sorry if you have a genuine belief, that is your right, just don;t expect to get many converts, this fight turns up on a regular basis, and I don;t know how many people cross the floor, so to speak.

    Getting a chance to look at all views is good though
         
        03-26-2014, 06:22 PM
      #26
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mustang Mare    
    i understand and respect and thank all of you for posting your opinion and posts here. Im sorry if I offended or upset any of you here.
    I agree, don't be sorry for your passion and beliefs!
         
        03-26-2014, 06:51 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mustang Mare    
    i understand and respect and thank all of you for posting your opinion and posts here. Im sorry if I offended or upset any of you here.
    No need to apologize. I understand the love and passion you have.

    It's just such a complex issue.

    As much as we like horse, love them even, there are people who do not. At all. There are people lobbying our legislators who would like to have all feral horses removed because they compete for forage and water with waterfowl, some rodents, some amphibians, some insects, other herbivores.

    And, although, I've disagreed with BLM, Forest Service, the occasional state agency on their horse and other policies from time to time, I recognize they are all in a real tough spot.

    All Americans own all the land and all the animals, of ever species, that lives on it. Those agencies have to try to please everyone. Oi! Not going to happen!
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        03-26-2014, 08:34 PM
      #28
    Foal
    Mustang Mare, If you have a FB account do a search for Mustang Meg. Look under the notes section. She has a wealth of documented info as well as her personal opinion on this subject. It's very complex and interesting. You will be with like minded company and I believe you would enjoy her page. I know I do!
         
        03-26-2014, 08:54 PM
      #29
    Started
    The issue is rounding them up. There used to be millions of mustangs. If they were any other species they would be endangered. If the forage is not suitable, let them die, when they die they will feed many animals. The Blm frakes saying there are way to many horses, but 20k wild free horses in the ENTIRE UNITED STATES as a drop in the bucket. They could get geld happy. Geld (well more like proud cutting) several studs and colts in rangelands (including band stallions) and the population will drop. Spaying mares is dangerous for the mares. Using fertility drugs and cutting they can slow the population growth. They could sterilize several animals and release some of them back and keep the number in holding down. There are organizations willing to take the animals as well, if the blm corporates the number in holding could go down further.
         
        03-26-2014, 09:36 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by KigerQueen    
    The issue is rounding them up. There used to be millions of mustangs. If they were any other species they would be endangered. If the forage is not suitable, let them die, when they die they will feed many animals. The Blm frakes saying there are way to many horses, but 20k wild free horses in the ENTIRE UNITED STATES as a drop in the bucket. They could get geld happy. Geld (well more like proud cutting) several studs and colts in rangelands (including band stallions) and the population will drop. Spaying mares is dangerous for the mares. Using fertility drugs and cutting they can slow the population growth. They could sterilize several animals and release some of them back and keep the number in holding down. There are organizations willing to take the animals as well, if the blm corporates the number in holding could go down further.
    There used to be a lot less people and way fewer towns, too. Horses were eaten more often and there weren't as many conflicting special interest groups.

    I used to think gelding was the answer. And at least WY and UT tried it. But the remaining stallions would absolutely cover the open mares until they were nothing buy skin and bones and it did not reduce numbers.

    I agree that spaying has more risk since it is more invasive. There is research now on injections. Some promise there.
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