My 21 yr old schoolmaster salle de francis gelding

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    08-18-2012, 04:22 AM
Exclamation My 21 yr old schoolmaster salle de francis gelding

I'm not sure if this is the right forum so feel free to correct me Anyway, I purchased my 21 yr old schoolmaster salle de francis gelding Diego in June of this year. I've ridden him many times already where I'm boarding him at my cousin's farm, I'm a new rider and he has taught me so much and so have the wonderful people that I go with. He is awesome in every aspect of the word. Recently, I moved him to have more pasture for the summer and he had to leave the companion he had for a little while and go with three new ones. When we got to the new pasture I rode him on a trail beside the road for about 2 miles and back again before I put him in and all was well and normal. Well, the next day I went to get him and first thing I noticed was he didn't come to his name being called, so I went out, haltered him and started bringing him in with his lead rope. About half way back to the gate he went bananas and reared and took off, it shocked me really bad. So, I went out and got him again and talked stern to him and led him all the way to the gate, there was this other gelding that was very aggressive and I think he was bullying him. Anyway, we got outside the gate and I tied him and petted him and started saddling him, I wasn't going to ride him because he was showing signs of being very nervous but another owner was there of the other horses and said it would be good for him so off we went and we got about a mile down the trail and came to the same farm with the same horse in the pasture that we had passed the day before with no incident and when that horse came to the fence to greet us again as he did the day before Diego again went bananas and I bailed off because he was rearing and what not and I'm a beginner right He stopped as soon as I was off so I got his reins and led him away from the fence and horse tied him up went for a little walk to calm myself down and went back and talked to him, petted etc. He was so uptight. Then I walked him back to the pasture and made him walk with me not ahead of me and circled him when he was getting out of control and would walk out of the circle so he would walk nice with me. When I got him to the pasture and put him in he bolted off and he never, never leaves me, I always leave first. I had the bully horse removed from the pasture immediatly, my friend is an equine therapist and she came the next day and worked on him and he loved, loved it. Today, I went out to get him and he saw strange horses on the other side of the road and bolted away from me again while leading to the gate. My friend came and we brought him up and she lunged him until he behaved, but I could tell he is still nervous. Help please! I don't know what's wrong and what to do I love him and this is not my horse!!!!
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    08-18-2012, 09:05 AM
Hi and welcome. I am a bit confused is this an under saddle issue or catching him in the pasture issue?

Is he getting any grain? How long have you had him? What sort of facilities do you have? A round pen or an arena?
    08-18-2012, 11:59 AM
I've had him for 2 months, this is just walking out into the field and then bringing him in. He is bombproof and you can do anything you want with him and this is new. There is no grain. Maybe it's all the green grass as I've just moved him there, or new scenery I don't know but my calm, gentle bombproof horse is really nervous and uptight. I'm thinking I should go work with him every day, just spend time with him and maybe just ride him in the field for awhile. Nothing and I mean nothing phased this guy before, you could literally do anything you wanted around him so I don't know why all of a sudden he's so nervous and uptight, could it be all the new green pasture making him a little hot?
    08-18-2012, 12:28 PM
Okay, it sounds like this is a new problem and started when the horse moved. If he was previously on grain and limited turn out he may now have realized that "ha ha I don't have to be caught". A part of this might also be respect for you when you lead him. How do you lead him and what does he do? Is he always nose diving to eat grass? Does he push you around?

A horse should not rear when you are leading them without have consequences. A smack or moving his feet. If he is out with a group then the group needs to respect you as well. I know how horses in a group can get snotty and start pushing everyone around. You have to go in with the idea that you are the best, smartest and most in-control horse in the pasture. The other horses need to respect that you the human are the best, smartest, most in-control horse who will make them move if they get in your way. This means that they table their little conflicts when you enter the pasture.

Your horse may also be just settling in. He could also have figured out that every time he goes with you then he has to work. Some horses love being around people and love a job others are not so interested in that. Try catching him, leading him to the gate, walking through the gate and turning around and putting him back in the pasture. Or spend some time just fussing over him without any riding.
    08-19-2012, 04:22 AM
He was never limited time out he was on 20 acres but there was literally no grass we were feeding hay, it was all brush and undergrowth, and he had a companion there but he didn't move to this pasture with him, I've never given grain to catch he always came to his name being called. So, it must be the move, it is a much busier area, the fairgrounds are right across the road, more traffic etc. so maybe that's upsetting him but I always have ridden him in the ditch along busy roads past farms, animals, people etc. nothing has ever phased this guy. I know I need to get him to respect me because obviously I've been spoiling him too much and I did let go of the lead rope and let him go when he bolted, but I did go back and get him and talked stern to him and brought him up. I'm going to work on that this week when the fair is over and the grounds are quiet, too much going on there right now. Also, if he behaves well with the leading etc. I will ride him in the pasture and try correcting any problems he gives me there, also it will be a much softer landing:) The two other horses in with him are fine, they don't give me or him trouble at all. I noticed today after observing for awhile that he is doing alot of head bobbing and this is new as I've never seen him do this before, even when on him own he has his head up and bobbing alot, what does this mean? Thanks for any help as I am a beginner and very determined to do this right and get my nice horse back.
    08-19-2012, 10:16 AM
If his head is bobbing it means he is in pain. I would call the vet out. He might have a abscess or some other leg problem. He is bobbing his head because his leg hurts and he is counter balancing himself with his head.
    08-19-2012, 11:37 AM
Thankyou, I was researching last night and came to that conclusion as well, this would explain the behavior and it is his way of telling me I think.
    08-19-2012, 12:07 PM
Good luck with your horse
    08-19-2012, 12:39 PM
Sounds to like me that he's had a taste of new found freedom and is taking it with both hands and not letting go. I think he is just trying to test his boundries and see how far he can push you, add ontop of that, that the fresh grass is probably makin him that bit fresher. Simba was let out into a grass paddock for the first time in months yesterday morning... he had no interest in being caught for his dinner. He was convinced I was going to take away his freedom and (god forbid) be made to work. Saying this, he also knew that I wasn't going to entertain stupidity and with a pout came in.

I think the honeymoon phase is over, and your now going to have to step up and let him know who is in charge. Take a deep breath and get stuck into it.
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    08-19-2012, 12:55 PM
Sorry if I'm being slightly obnoxious, and of course totally OT, but do you mean you a selle Francais (full name cheval de selle Francais, translates as "French saddle horse")? I don't know what the schoolmaster part is, because I don't know the breed (I confirmed the full name thanks to Google!) - but what you wrote translates as "Francis's room" so I knew that couldn't be correct!


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