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    08-31-2010, 04:05 AM
  #1
Yearling
My Horse is Dangerous? Really? Ugh.

*rant*

So on a trail ride today, my landlady/barn manager and I switched horses, because she had never ridden Whiskey before.
Whiskey was abused, and doesn't get on too well with new people, but is not nasty, just very tense. Whiskey also doesn't wear a bit because his tongue was slit with a knife (remember??? Seriously lady, why have you forgotten this?).
Comments when we get back (paraphrased):
"Screw his little bit issue. Put one in there with a nice tight figure eight flash and make him move off your leg. There's no reason he shouldn't be."
---Umm...maybe because he has no formal training and the only reason he moves off leg at all is because of the work I'VE put in to him? Maybe?
"He doesn't stop very well. Seriously, it's dangerous."
---REALLY? Do you think that maybe the reason he's not slowing down for you is because you're using leg pressure to try to get him to move sideways, which he doesn't understand??!? Yeah, just keep jabbing him in the side and see how slowly he plods home for you.

I wasn't watching because she ditched me on the trail on her psychotic mare and couldn't see her.

This is why I don't let other people ride my horse. The thing that irks me the most here is that my landlady rode to world level in quarter horses.

Yes, dangerous.
That makes me so angry.

Am I overreacting? I can't tell. I'm too pissed.
     
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    08-31-2010, 08:53 AM
  #2
Yearling
No you aren't over reacting, this lady seemed insensitive to your horses issues with being previously abused and not being able to wear a bit and such. It seems like she was blaming your horse as well for her incapability.

I say don't let her ride him anymore.
     
    08-31-2010, 09:32 AM
  #3
Yearling
Completely agree with Mickey! I have given kids and beginners rides on Jack, but the kind that I lead them around and they sit on his back. There is only one person I let actually ride Jack and he is a good friend that is a trainer and when I have an issue I am not sure how to handle he gives me a hand with me watching. In total, he has been on Jack twice in 4 years. It may sound bad, but I am stingy with my horse. It's SOO easy to confuse them when someone unfamiliar gets on them and gives cues they don't understand, and then you have to spend the time reinforcing that yes, when I give you leg you turn away from it, when I touch my hand to your withers and say "Ho" that still means stop, etc....(also, Jack is trained to take very subtle cues from me and if someone gets up there, clamps down and kicks it's going to be ugly,lol)If Jack were the bombproof babysitter that is easy as pie to ride it'd be different, but lets face it those kinds of horses are hard to find. I think you have every right to be upset by her comments and reactions. I would say that she was just trying to blame him for the fact that she didn't know how to ride him like you do and get his optimum performance. She was embarrassed.
     
    08-31-2010, 09:41 AM
  #4
Showing
Why did you let her ride him if you know he has issues with strange people? Did you somehow think everything was going to magically be all right?

I do have to agree that he sounds dangerous, but only because he's not been trained properly. If you're not going to get him the proper professional training he needs, then STOP letting other people on him.

I get so tired of people making excuses for their horse's bad behaviour because it was abused. He's not being abused NOW, so you need to stop letting him act like a wild child and blaming it on his previous history. Discipline is not abuse, and your horse needs to learn that he has to behave or there will be consequences.

You can be mad all you want, but you're more guilty than your landlady because you're his owner and should be protecting him from abusive situations.

So suck it up, accept your OWN guilt in this, learn from your mistakes, and move on.
     
    08-31-2010, 09:49 AM
  #5
Yearling
I don't mean to sound snarky in anyway, but I don't agree with speed racer. Yes, she needs to bring him along as far as possible but I have personal experience with abused horses and often no matter how much time, effort and training you put into them they ALWAYS have issues in certain areas. That's kind of like saying a soldier suffering from PTSD just needs to get over it because they're not in the war anymore. Maybe she shouldn't have let her BO ride her horse, but I assume she thought that since this woman has competed at high levels she would be able to handle it, especially since she knows the horses history.
     
    08-31-2010, 08:15 PM
  #6
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Why did you let her ride him if you know he has issues with strange people? Did you somehow think everything was going to magically be all right?

I do have to agree that he sounds dangerous, but only because he's not been trained properly. If you're not going to get him the proper professional training he needs, then STOP letting other people on him.

I get so tired of people making excuses for their horse's bad behaviour because it was abused. He's not being abused NOW, so you need to stop letting him act like a wild child and blaming it on his previous history. Discipline is not abuse, and your horse needs to learn that he has to behave or there will be consequences.

You can be mad all you want, but you're more guilty than your landlady because you're his owner and should be protecting him from abusive situations.

So suck it up, accept your OWN guilt in this, learn from your mistakes, and move on.
I let her ride him because I was right there watching, SR. She ditched me on the trail. I wasn't there to watch anymore. As I mentioned originally, he isn't comfortable with new people, but is not mean, just tense.

Because my horse doen't move off the leg he is dangerous? She was trying to force him to do something he doesn't know how to, he was responding the best he knew how (speeding up with leg pressure) and that makes him dangerous?

This was a one time thing, and I generally do not let others ride my horse, but I think it is important for him to learn that he doesn't have to fear other people riding him. Since my landlady is an accomplished horse woman, and I was to be in sight, this should have been a positive learning experience for my horse. My landlady removed him from my sight, and asked him to perform things that he doesn't know how to do. He does steer, stop and go, just nothing fancy. Not many horses really go beyond that in their training, so how does this make him dangerous?

Yes, not moving off leg is acting like a "wild child." Seriously?

It takes time to overcome abuse. You would not expect a child who had been abused to just suck it up and not be scared of the stressors, would you?

I never said she abused my horse ether, thank you. I said she asked him to do things he didn't understand, then told me to strap him down, put a bit in his mouth and make him move off my leg. I don't see what is so wrong with doing things... hmm... properly? Maybe.

Jeez.
     
    08-31-2010, 08:18 PM
  #7
Yearling
^^ Thank you Jacksmama. Pretty much how I thought it was going to go. Now if she hadn't taken off with my horse, leaving me behind on the trail, unable to see her, I would have asked her to switch back, and ridden my horse myself, seeing as how she obviously was pushing him beyond his capabilities.
     
    09-01-2010, 10:15 AM
  #8
Yearling
Don't worry hun, working with abused horses is not easy. I have been working with an abused mare for 3 years(her case is not as severe as Whiskeys. She was never handled til 1.5, yanked out of the field, blind folded, they saddled her and took a cattle prod to her to get her gaiting and certified.) and it's been a long hard road. She couldn't be caught, you could hardly touch her flanks where she'd been hit with a prod, she lived 24/7 in flight mode, and had to be started over from the ground up. Now, she is the resident show queen. Still slightly anxious and still very sensitive, but I'd give a toe or two to own her. You have done well to bring him so far and it sounds like you have the patience and compassion to take him farther. I hope everything goes well for you and Whiskey!
     
    09-01-2010, 10:43 AM
  #9
Banned
Sorry, but I agree with SR.

If your horse is not responsive to aids (go, stop, etc) they can be considered dangerous. Yes. Especially out on a trail.



When things started to go wrong why did you not nix the whole thing and take your horse back?
     
    09-01-2010, 06:32 PM
  #10
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
Sorry, but I agree with SR.

If your horse is not responsive to aids (go, stop, etc) they can be considered dangerous. Yes. Especially out on a trail.



When things started to go wrong why did you not nix the whole thing and take your horse back?
My horse is responsive to go, stop and turn. He just doesn't move off leg. The reason he wouldn't slow down for her is because she was asking him to move off leg, which he doesn't know how to (so was applying leg pressure) and he sped up, trying to do what he was being asked.

The reason I didn't take my horse back was because she DITCHED ME ON HE TRAIL. TOOK OFF. She left me riding her psychotic mare. I would have taken my horse back, but seeing as how he was removed from my vicinity, I wasn't able to.

If you had read the entire thread you would realize that I already answered both questions.
     

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