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    08-17-2012, 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by SilverShadowStable    
Ok, I am a fan of Kontiki, never saw him race, but his structure and his legacy...WOW.
I always thought there must not be enough Arab owners interested in barrels to really show that maybe some could do the job. I've had a top barrel racers say Arabs don't have the brains (rolls eyes), but I always wondered if it's the slow muscle twitch and lighter gaskins and forearms (on most of them) that makes it hard for them. I'm not a barrel pro, just have fun watching the upper end finals here locally, but would like to hear someone elses opinion as to where the build difference is, that creates this gap incompetativeness....
Raye Anne

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Quarter Horses are sprinters, they are built (least the ones bred for barrels) to accomplish quick speed in a short distance. Why they are called "Quarter" Horse, fastest horse in a quarter mile. Arabians are endurance horses, long distance running basically. I've seen some nice Abraian barrel horses who can turn just as well as any QH, but never above a 3D (1 second or more off fastest time) level. The speed just isn't there.
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    08-18-2012, 09:34 PM
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Arabians do not have the sloping muscles or the strength in their hind end that fast QHs do. Even the ones that do not have the flat topline/croup, do not get their hocks and hind ends underneath them and do not have the strength to drive away from the barrel, out of the roping box, out of the starting gate, etc.

If a mediocre QH left the starting gate with the best Arabian race horse, the Arab would be 20 or 30 feet behind the QH 30 or 40 yards out of the gate. They are not even in the same league.

The 'endurance factor' in Arabians has a lot to do with the slow twitch and fast twitch muscles, but has even more to do with the mysterious 'recovery factor'. Since I no longer compete or keep up on long distance riding, I do not know if that recovery factor has been identified and figured out, but it is a very different thing that Arabians possess.
    08-19-2012, 05:33 AM
My mare is Quarab, and I absolutely LOVE her. Nothing she can't do.That being said...she and I were district champion in Pole bending (consistent low 22's,) canadian flags, and drill team. Qualified for state in Reining (huge stopper) barrels and bi-rangle. We have won a couple belt buckles in our time and been reserve champ at local gymkhana's. But, this was only within one year of really running her in these gaming events. Not to mention the sorting and penning jackpots we've won...So, was it her QH side....possibly. But I know that her Arab side didn't just sit on the sidelines and do nothing. Too bad there is such a stigma about arabs only being good at endurance. They really are great all around horses, so are QH's!!
    08-19-2012, 07:47 AM
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You missed the point. I never said that they were good only in endurance. They are only GREAT and unbeatable at long distance riding.

I also know they are great all around horses, but NO all around horse (including the all around Quarter Horses I now raise) is going to be competitive at a high level in several events that require different skills.

The specialization required to be competitive at a high level (like National competition with hundreds of thousands of $$$ at stake) is so high, it has knocked out all around horses like the Arabian, Morgan and the 'older style' QHs that I raise.

People that love all around horses like myself are happy with local competition. But you and I do not travel thousands of miles to qualify for World and National Championships.

Arabian are second best Park Horses (why the National Show Horse came into being).

Arabians are second best (or 3rd or 4th) at jumping and eventing.

They are way down the list in Dressage (and it is not only their size).

They are never going to beat QHs in western Athletic endeavors like reining, cutting, barrel racing, and about a dozen other events.

They are great in harness, but I have never seen one win a high level combined driving event.

They are not even close to as fast as a slow QH or TB. When I trained Kontiki, I had to train him to break from the gate by using a saddle / pony horse to break with him because I did not have a slow enough TB or QH in training that he could break with and teach him how to run. When he raced at the track, he won every race leading from gate to wire but still could not touch a slow TB.

But, they are the undisputed champions of endurance and long distance riding.

They can do about everything. They just can't do it at a World Championship level -- except distance riding.
    08-19-2012, 08:23 AM
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Why is it that whenever there is a thread that starts out with the love and admiration of the Arabian, someone always has to climb aboard and go into depth about all then things they don't do as well as some other breed?

I suppose this happens with other breed threads .. and I suppose I'm just sensitive because I know there are a lot of folks that just don't like Arabians.

OP, I'm glad you shared your sentiment about your new favorite lesson horse. Arabians, in general, are great horses ... but not everyone gets that. Have fun and post some pictures.

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    08-19-2012, 09:15 AM
Cherie you forgot another very vital thing that arabians can do that no other breed can.
When developing or improving breeds the arabian has been used
No other breed can claim that . History proves it..
They do most everything else well enough to be competitive.
They also poesess an inteligence that I have rarely seen in any iother breed. Shalom
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    08-19-2012, 11:05 AM
One thing nobody has mentioned so far...nowadays, the training for these highly specialized competition is sometimes close to abusive, and an Arabian will not, due to his intelligence, take that kind of training very well. And rightfully so.
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    08-19-2012, 12:47 PM
With all due respect, I really don't care what arabians can & can't do. 6 months ago I was terrified to get on any horse. Now I can canter on a horse that I had alway beleived the was too hot of a breed for me to ever ride.
    08-20-2012, 08:36 AM
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One thing nobody has mentioned so far...nowadays, the training for these highly specialized competition is sometimes close to abusive, and an Arabian will not, due to his intelligence, take that kind of training very well. And rightfully so.
All myth! Good trainers can train them for about any event and they will try and work their hearts out. I knew an Arabian Cutting Horse trainer for many years named Tom Miller. I even bought an Arabian mare for him and used her for a broodmare for many years. His cutting horses tried as hard an any horse I ever saw. They just were not competitive in the bigger NCHA Shows. He DID WIN some at the local level in NCHA competition. -- like the better Arabian barrel horses I knew.

I certainly do not consider event training to be abusive. You find abusive trainers in all disciplines. Arabian just get completely crazy when they are abused much like TBs and racing QHs. They are just more thin skinned and sensitive and some of them do not have good enough minds to take a lot of pressure. There are Arabians that do nothing well other than halter just like there are QHS that are ONLY halter horses.

I used to laugh at people that could not get along with 'hot' horses or mules. I used to tell them that the first thing you have to do to get along with sensitive and super smart animals is you have to be smarter than the horse or the mule.

And "Yes!" All 'light' breeds can trace in part back to Arabians. They have long been called the 'fountainhead' of light horse breeds.

I have never 'bashed' Arabians. I like them, have raised them and have trained many of them. I am just realistic and know what their strengths and weaknesses are.
    08-20-2012, 09:29 AM
Cherie you are being realistic. No problem with that.
Arabians are verstile horses. So are a few other breeds.
Most however are not.
Haflingers and friesians are not going to compete in different events very well. They are not built to.
There is no harm in saying each breed has its limits and its speicialities.
If you want to win a top cutting competition get a QH bred for that.
Win the Kentucky Derby get a TB.
Win the Tevis an Arab. Shalom

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