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post #81 of 89 Old 08-13-2012, 01:27 PM Thread Starter
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With everything you have said taken into consideration, Nuala, I have to reccommend that you stop riding him, or at least reduce it to a few laps walking around the pen once or twice a week between groundwork sessions.

I'm also going to say that you should learn as much as you can about starting horses, and make a plan and a set of goals that will compliment your horse and build his confidence before real training sets in when he's older.

On another forum, I had put together a list of goals for a 3 year old horse by the end of it's third year:

-A good stop and back up
-Following the rein
-Riding with progressively less rein and more leg.
-Giving to the rein and flexing both left and right

-moving out comfortably when asked, no repetitive kicking asking to go.
-controlled trot, preferably on loose rein
-Making circles and serpentines at the walk without fighting the bit
-Loping comfortably
-moving the front end,
-moving the hind-quarters

-Trail rides

All of the bolded ones can be taught and mastered on the ground first, along with many, many more things that I could have listed.

In addition, you can factor in trail rides if you pony him with another horse on trails.
Thank you for the suggestions a couple of those are actually things I hadnt thought of trying from the ground but that is just because of the way I was taught. Leg yielding is usually something I teach after they have gone through all of their paces under saddle and do it without question and that includes walking over and under tarps etc. He moves his hind quarters wonderfully. I will have to get a Video of all of the ground work we do now and an updated riding video which is still only walk and trot to see his progression.

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post #82 of 89 Old 08-13-2012, 01:36 PM
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I'm confused...

First you said he is super sweet tempered even though he's a stud, and then you said only four people can even get near him?
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post #83 of 89 Old 08-13-2012, 01:46 PM Thread Starter
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I'm confused...

First you said he is super sweet tempered even though he's a stud, and then you said only four people can even get near him?
Just because he is sweet doesnt mean that he isnt scared of others. He doesnt hurt anyone EVER however if someone tries to go in his pen to get him without me or when I am not there he will usually run around the pen trying to not get caught. With the four he lets near him he will walk up and rub his head on them right away. And as long as you don't touch his head while he is doing it he is ok, otherwise he'l pull his head up and freak a little still.

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post #84 of 89 Old 08-13-2012, 02:01 PM
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so that means the people who have given up catching him have made his catching problems worse. They should be walking him down until he is ready to come to them and at the time when he allows them to come close they spoil him with scratches and good boys. By allowing him to get away with this behavior while you are not around is going to cause lots of problems later on especially since he is a stallion imo
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post #85 of 89 Old 08-13-2012, 02:18 PM
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I am confused. Has a real, licensed VET been out to check his teeth/age?

Because of how drastically you can affect a young horse, I would not EVER get on a horse without a birth date on papers until it was estimated at 5 or 6, so I could be 100% for sure positive that he could handle it.

I am not a vet, and I don't pretend to be one, but his build strongly suggests awkward barely two-year old. Just because you think by his calm demeanor that someone started him before you got him doesn't mean that he was started, or that you should just continue because "I wasn't the first one on him." I got my little one as a weanling. I KNEW no one had been on her before our first ride, and I just got on, walked around, stopped and turned without her batting an eyelash. Some horses are just COOL. It would be a **** shame if you ruined your cool horse because you are pushing him too hard too soon. Think about it this way; nothing bad will happen if you wait too long to start riding him, but something bad can, and often does, happen when you start riding too early.

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post #86 of 89 Old 08-13-2012, 02:51 PM
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I got my BLM mustang at 5 years old, staight out of the wild. Never been messed with (except to geld) & when I got on him the first time he never bucked. So that just goes to show you, just because he did'nt buck, don't mean he was already broke.
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post #87 of 89 Old 08-13-2012, 08:27 PM
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I understand your feeling a bit attacked here and I can understand how you would feel that way. We all love our horses and think they are the best thing ever. No one really likes being told that they are doing things wrong.

I don't mean to offend when I suggested a helmet. I lived in Montana for two years and I am well aware of the mentality out there. I would completely understand if you said I don't ride with a helmet its not my thing. To say no one in the state does just makes me think that if everyone in the state ran off a cliff you would too. I would have respected you more if you had just said it wasn't your thing.

In the end its your horse, your choice. I am sure you are doing your best with him. I wish you only the best of luck with your boy.

I do work with a vet and we work with a high level miniature horse farm. If the mini's have not dropped by two years they are considered cryptorchids and are gelded. Your horse is clearly not a mini, but keep in mind that mini's are the result of dwarf genes. So the mini, is basically any health problem your horse might have magnified. So, I would deduce that if he has not dropped by now he is not going to drop. Also any testicle that is in the body is exposed to higher body heat which can result in cancers.
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post #88 of 89 Old 08-13-2012, 08:57 PM
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Whatever you do, he is better off than he would have been if he had gone to Mexico to the slaughterhouse. I am glad you gave him a home. I hope he works out well for you.

Like rookie said, retained testicles are a cancer risk. You should have a little time on that if he is only two.
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post #89 of 89 Old 08-14-2012, 09:34 PM Thread Starter
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I will be the first to admit that my post was heated and poorly worded however the base points were still evident.

Your right I should have put it differently...No I don't use helmets (and not just because I am in Montana) and yes I do jump off of cliffs every year, its family tradition and usually into the Stillwater near Absorkee. My friend nearly got paralyzed because her helmet got caught on a nail of a side rail and twisted her head back and fractured her Cervical Vertebrae. I also find them very distracting. Honestly don't know where to find them around here I know where to find bullriding helmets but not riding helmets.

I didnt say it was impossible but highly unlikely considering the evidence that he was mishandled in his past. The wire cuts on the back of his legs the scars under his chin and the fact that he would take off whenever touched or approached with a lead rope.

I will admit, even though I would rather not, that I am partially bias and possibly blind to some things because he is my first, personal, project horse, because he has come so far and yes because he is my baby. I, at least, try not to let that interfere with getting him the best care.

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