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post #11 of 31 Old 12-30-2012, 01:29 PM
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I was reading another thread earlier, again about jumping, and how you can teach yourself, something that I strongly disagree with, then I watch a video of someone saying "here's proof you don't need a trainer to be a safe jumper" well looking at the video it was proof that you do!

A lot of things do cross over between disciplines, but once you are into specialities leave it to the people who know that area well to teach you, learn from the best, forget the rest.

I have a dressage coach, that is her speciality, I don't know if I want to take some of my horses to test standard in dressage, so I have booked a lesson with different coach. I can ride western, and if I decide to go back to it I will be happy to take pointers on trail riding from any of my western riding friends, but if I want to cut, or pen, I won't be asking the barrel racers to help.

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I know, But I was just saying my opinion. I was just kinda poining out that just because some people ride western, doesn't mean they don't know anything about English. lol

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Jumping greatly increases the risk of injury. The studies and statistics vary, but it seems to increase the risk 10-40 times. That is 1,000-4,000%. That doesn't make jumping wrong or inappropriate to learn, but it DOES suggest it is something a person ought to take seriously. Screw it up, and you set yourself up for injury. Maybe death.

Can someone jump in a western saddle? Of course. Anyone can watch it being done at the end of True Grit. It may or may not have been John Wayne in the saddle, accounts vary, but the bottom line? If I wanted advice on jumping horses, and could ask either John Wayne or George Morris, I'd ask George Morris.



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Jumping aside.....no one cannot delve into the minds of others unknown to them and make claim to know what that persons brain matter holds or their life experience yada yada yada.
It could be said of any topic, a baker may know how to cook and a cook may know how to bake....doesn't make either of them an expert at the others specialty.
Western, English, Spanish, Mongolian, German, Aussie....who cares.
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post #15 of 31 Old 12-30-2012, 02:12 PM
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I ride both western and english and have dabbled in pretty much everything I can find around where I live. I know several western riders who are also very good jumpers. I also know several barrel racers (not making a blanket statement, just saying these girls are a personal experience) who think they are the **** because they can point a horse at a jump and stay on. They don't realize though that they have no base support, no release, no seat and have some of the worst positions I've ever seen over a jump. It showed when the one girl's horse did a slight swerve and she came off. They are the people I use as proof for getting lessons if you want to jump. I later won that same class she fell off in and won the next one she was in too.
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I ride both western and english and have dabbled in pretty much everything I can find around where I live. I know several western riders who are also very good jumpers. I also know several barrel racers (not making a blanket statement, just saying these girls are a personal experience) who think they are the **** because they can point a horse at a jump and stay on. They don't realize though that they have no base support, no release, no seat and have some of the worst positions I've ever seen over a jump. It showed when the one girl's horse did a slight swerve and she came off. They are the people I use as proof for getting lessons if you want to jump. I later won that same class she fell off in and won the next one she was in too.
Well if jumping is 'your thing' and it isnt the barrel racers thing, chances are you are going to win the class. If her seat was poor, oh well, just because she's a barrel racer it doesn't mean that's why her seat was poor. Do you think you'd do as well barrel racing??

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I don't think that is what she meant. She was just saying this particular girl thought she was a good jumper because she could stay on but had a terrible possition and hence didn't win. Jumanji has probably practiced a lot to get a correct, strong position over fences and that is why she won.
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I think there is a difference between jumping and JUMPING. I can ride a small "jump" over a down log or small stone wall on a trail just fine. It is not pretty; however, it gets the job done. I can not JUMP in a western saddle. Anything of substance or larger then what I might find on a casual trail ride I am not going to tackle. I know enough of jumping to know that I don't know enough to do it safely. I messed around with it when I was younger but I was braver then.

Today, If I wanted to learn JUMPING I would take lessons from someone who has experience in this area. In my opinion, there are so many risks associated with it that you need to not only train yourself but train your horse. This I think is particularly true in cross country. Its just one wrong step, one mis-calculated distance that can mean the difference between a clear jump and a dead or broken horse or rider. That said there are people who know JUMPING and know western because the course of their lives has lead them through both disciplines. In which case, I would trust their opinion. If I wanted to just learn how to stay on when my horse pops over a small down tree or ditch on the trail then yeah a good instructor who teaches the bases should have that covered.
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I don't think that is what she meant. She was just saying this particular girl thought she was a good jumper because she could stay on but had a terrible possition and hence didn't win. Jumanji has probably practiced a lot to get a correct, strong position over fences and that is why she won.
And you're right. She probably has practiced a lot. However no one knows everything......I am very very careful even when someone asks me 'how does this look, what do you think.' and whenever someone is having a crap ride or they are just all over the place, I just switch off and mind my own business - who am I to judge others who have their own battles and are struggling along like I think most of us do.........
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i think when people make comments like that in their posts [especially when people ask for jumping critique] it has nothing to do with being mean or judgmental or trying to bash western. It has to do with concern for horse and rider safety and well being. jumping is dangerous and that danger should be respected.

that being said, i consider myself good at jumping, but i cant even hold my leg over a 2ft fence in a western saddle !

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