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post #1 of 42 Old 07-24-2011, 04:39 AM Thread Starter
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Need Advice ASAP - Situation Getting Strange Quick

Hi all - thanks for reading - especially as I'm posting this at 3 am.

My gelding has been on lease for the last several years. As of the end of June, I decided to terminate the lease (it was up for renewal) and attempted to notify the leasee.

The leasee, apparently sensing what I was going to do (I'd been warning her during the last several discussions that I was leaning towards taking my horse back for my own use), opted not to return my phone calls, facebook messages, etc. Mind you - up until now, she has always returned my calls and messages within 24 hours. I finally tracked her down and informed her of my decision. She was not happy about it - which I understand.

The leasee then informed me she simply couldn't do without the horse until the end of August. I told her that was fine, I understood he was part of their lesson program and she would need time to replace him. I told her to take as much time as she needed and once she had her situation settled, I would come and get him. She said okay and promised to call me back within the next day or two. She did not call back. She did not return my calls again.

Last week, she facebooks me out of the blue and says I can come get him sunday (tomorrow). I was a bit startled but told her sunday would not work for me, as my friend who is picking him up for me is on vacay out of town until monday. We arrange a pick-up for weds - she is only open to having him picked up during very specific time frames and dates.

At 12:30-12:45 tonight (last night? Idk- sometime after midnight) she facebooks me again. This time it says the following:

(a) for the first time in several years and 3 days before I'm supposed to be taking him back - my horse is mysteriously ill.

(b) she wants to be reimbursed - IN CASH - for services she had done to him during the last month - during the time when she was not returning my calls or messages to her.

I'm seriously concerned right now - freaking out a bit to be honest. My 14 year old, never colicked a day in his life gelding, is suddenly not eating or drinking and running a fever - just before its time for me to come get him? Really???

Furthermore - she doesn't see fit to call me about it - she facebooks at midnight when it is too late to call her and question her about it - she also encloses her bid for money in the message (a first, and not part of our lease agreement - also it was an optional procedure - she very easily could have passed on it or called me to see if I was willing to pay for it - before having it done.)

She mentions in the message that she left the "sick" horse with a bran mash tonight - but wasn't clear on whether or not it was actually consumed - only saying that he seemed interested in it when she left him??

So that's the situation - up to the minute. Sigh.

I'm freaking out. Things have gone from a good lease situation to an increasingly odd and strange one in the course of a single month. I need advice on two fronts, please:

(1) do I wait until the agreed upon pick up time on Wednesday - or do I borrow a trailer from someone and do whatever it takes to go get my horse, ASAP?

(2) Do I pay the bill? - Mind you, the bill was not mentioned when we scheduled the pick up or when I told her I'd be taking him back. If she had returned any of my calls or consulted me, the bill would not be an issue (I would not have had it done).

Thanks for reading this - looking forward to hearing some rational, not freaking out opinions.
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post #2 of 42 Old 07-24-2011, 05:12 AM
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Being a leasee in the past I'd say look at your original legal agreement. If she was to pay vet bills, no way reimburse her.

Not sure what to make of the whole thing. But I know if it was my horse I'd do whatever I needed to, including trailer rental, to get my 'sick' horse home asap, especially since matters could potentially become further complicated the longer you have to deal with the leasee. Sounds strange indeed.

Keep us posted.
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THis is a tough situation. But, if anyone, in any way told me my horse was ill, I would be out there to take care of the situation. My first response to her FB post would have been a phone call to get a better handle on the situation and let her know I was on my way. That is the ONLY was to know what is going on. When was the last time you have laid eyes on your horse? I had one free leased over last winter to a therapeutic riding place and when they called that he was lame, he was home the next day, and will not be going back. While he was there I checked on him regularly. Physically saw him.

Go, assess the situation. If your agreement doesn't hold her responsible financially, you may have to pay the bills or come to some agreement just to get your horse out of there. A small price to pay to get him back safely, when you have saved board, etc for __ years, IMO. IF she want $$, I would insist on the bills AND the vet records, which she will probably have to sign over to you. In the meantime, I would do whatever I could to get my horse out of there.

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No way would I leave my horse there any longer then I absolutely had too. As far as the lease agreement, if it stats she is responsible for medical bills while the horse is in her care, then she pays. Period. And I can understand her not returning your calls if the horse was sick, she was probably terrified to tell you that until she knew she could get him through this. Kinda sounds like a weasel to me, and not to be trusted any longer.
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THis is a tough situation. But, if anyone, in any way told me my horse was ill,
I would be out there to take care of the situation.


My first response to her FB post would have been a phone call to get a better handle on the situation and let her know I was on my way.

That is the ONLY was to know what is going on.
When was the last time you have laid eyes on your horse?


I had one free leased over last winter to a therapeutic riding place and when they called that he was lame, he was home the next day,
And will not be going back.
While he was there I checked on him regularly. Physically saw him.

Go, assess the situation. If your agreement doesn't hold her responsible financially,
You may have to pay the bills or come to some agreement just to get your horse out of there.
A small price to pay to get him back safely, when you have saved board, etc for __ years, IMO.
IF she want $$, I would insist on the bills AND the vet records,
Which she will probably have to sign over to you.
In the meantime, I would do whatever I could to get my horse out of there.

Good luck and keep us posted.
Ditto this!!!!!!
I would have been periodically, physically going out and checking on him, as well.
Plus, it would have been stated in the contract between us that,
IF my horse were ill FOR ANY REASON, I was to be called IMMEDIATELY!
The vet bills, and who pays, are of lesser consequence, IMO.
The 'well being' of my horse would be first and foremost in my mind.
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Hope it all works out, and your horse is ok.
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Ditto this!!!!!!
I would have been periodically, physically going out and checking on him, as well.
Plus, it would have been stated in the contract between us that,
IF my horse were ill FOR ANY REASON, I was to be called IMMEDIATELY!
The vet bills, and who pays, are of lesser consequence, IMO.
The 'well being' of my horse would be first and foremost in my mind.
JMO

Hope it all works out, and your horse is ok.
Hi guys - this. Absolutely. And I have been going out and checking on him routinely - up until this last month I have always been very happy with the leasees. Every time I have gone out, regardless of when I decided to drop in on them, with or without warning - my horse has always been happy, healthy and looking content. And yes - she is supposed to call IMMMEDIATELY if there is a problem, not facebook me in the middle of the night about it (she has kids, so I hesitated to call their home at 1:30 in the morning when I rcvd the message).

The vet bills are, by contract, her problem. All basic care is, by contract, her responsibility. I just don't like the way she's suddenly acting so strange.
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Go get YOUR horse then worry about the rest. In the last month was the contract actually up? Or was it the last month of the lease?

Go get your baby!
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If the lease contract was up in June and you did not sign a new contract stating that it would be pro-rated till the time of pickup, you are in fact liable for any vet or farrier or whatever other charges she spent on him. Legally, because a verbal agreement to extend the lease can mysteriously disappear when it involves spending a lot of money.

I would say tell her that you require a bill of services rendered for anything she wants payment for.
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Did you check on him while he was in lease? And if so how often? If he was always fine and suddenly got sick, for how long? Because it sounds like a red flag.

First, I'd drive to see what's going on first thing in morning (in fact I would drive as long as I'd get a message from her, if that's OK with BO to come in eve/night, but it's just me). Second, yes, I'd move the horse.

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My first reaction is that something is seriously "wrong" with this leasee...

Yes, she has bonded with your horse and is disappointed that the lease is over. OK - that's understandable. But her reaction here at the end of the relationship is a bit like a bad breakup with a boyfriend or something...

I don't mean to toss out wild accusations here - but do you think she'd deliberately do something to harm your horse? Sort of a "If I can't have him, then NOBODY can have him"...?

It's definitely weird that she demanded to keep him until August - and then suddenly demands that you come and get him with less than 24 hours notice...

And within that 24 hours he has become severely ill!

Did she "know" he was going to be sick?

I think you need to get out there ASAP and assess the situation....

Hopefully it's not as bad as all that.

Leasing a spoiled rotten trail horse...pretty - but a brat!
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