Need advice... selfish rant... - Page 3
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Keeping and Caring for Horses > Horse Talk

Need advice... selfish rant...

This is a discussion on Need advice... selfish rant... within the Horse Talk forums, part of the Keeping and Caring for Horses category

     
    LinkBack Thread Tools
        02-12-2009, 12:58 PM
      #21
    Weanling
    I'm not against anyone selling horses. Riders change and evolve, horses don't turn out like we thought, whatever. There's no reason to think that you should be stuck with one horse forever, especially if you want to advance as a rider. What I AM against though, is discarding a horse for a newer, brighter toy...if a friesian is your life long dream, that's fine. But make sure its not an impulsive decision.
    If you want to sell Denny, that's absolutely fine. But make sure that he has a place to go. In this market, horses are being dumped all the time. Fort Macleod is loaded with decent horses who were cast out because they werent fast enough, good enough, or just overlooked.
    So the point of my rambling lecture is this; if you don't think Denny is what you want, and are convinced that you want a Friesian (it is a very good time to buy) then sell him. But make sure that he actually has a place to go. Otherwise, all that hard work you put into him will be for nothing, because he WILL go to slaughter.
         
    Sponsored Links
    Advertisement
     
        02-12-2009, 09:33 PM
      #22
    Showing
    Sky, thank you.
    It has been my dream for as long as I can remember to buy a Friesian... it's not a decision I'm making impulsively.
    I am scared of Denny going to a home that might dump him. I would love to be able to lease him out, even free leasing (where they just pay for board/upkeep) but.. what if that doesn't pan out? I would probably give him to the right home...
         
        02-12-2009, 10:22 PM
      #23
    Trained
    JDI, if Denny goes to a new home, you can put in the sale contract that you have first refusal if for any reason the new owners decide to sell him. You can ask for references -- esp. A vet -- you can ask for inspection. You can ask for whatever you want, all the more so if he goes for little or no money. I know when I have taken in horses for "free" I have felt a greater responsibility toward their previous owner than if I had paid for them. (except one case where the previous owner was a complete loser)

    You have a lot of control over his future. You're still his mommy and can help protect him from the big scarey world.
         
        02-12-2009, 10:45 PM
      #24
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by northernmama    
    JDI, if Denny goes to a new home, you can put in the sale contract that you have first refusal if for any reason the new owners decide to sell him. You can ask for references -- esp. A vet -- you can ask for inspection. You can ask for whatever you want, all the more so if he goes for little or no money. I know when I have taken in horses for "free" I have felt a greater responsibility toward their previous owner than if I had paid for them. (except one case where the previous owner was a complete loser)

    You have a lot of control over his future. You're still his mommy and can help protect him from the big scarey world.
    What a great reply. Northern points out a lot of great things I had never even thought about. I would be anxious about the first right of refusal tho just from a financial point, wouldn't it be risky? Just a question as I've never done it
         
        02-12-2009, 11:09 PM
      #25
    Trained
    CDT -- first right of refusal is not risky. It's just that the purchaser agrees that if (s)he wants to sell the horse, (s)he has to approach the previous owner first and offer them the horse for the same price that they could get from someone else. If the previous owner doesn't want to or can't buy the horse back, PO simply refuses and the purchaser is now free to go to the next buyer. The purchaser may NOT ask for more money from the PO than they could reasonably expect from someone else at arm's length. Now, that all said, I'm sure it depends a lot on the specific language in an agreement.

    Nice to see you at home CDT!!! Hope all is well.
         
        02-12-2009, 11:18 PM
      #26
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by northernmama    
    CDT -- first right of refusal is not risky. It's just that the purchaser agrees that if (s)he wants to sell the horse, (s)he has to approach the previous owner first and offer them the horse for the same price that they could get from someone else. If the previous owner doesn't want to or can't buy the horse back, PO simply refuses and the purchaser is now free to go to the next buyer. The purchaser may NOT ask for more money from the PO than they could reasonably expect from someone else at arm's length. Now, that all said, I'm sure it depends a lot on the specific language in an agreement.

    Nice to see you at home CDT!!! Hope all is well.

    Ohhhhh! I didn't realise that's what it meant. Thanks for the explanation. That's something that would probably good to do with every horse sale.

    And thank you :) it is nice to be at home. Going to be vegging for a bit
         
        02-13-2009, 12:14 AM
      #27
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by northernmama    
    CDT -- first right of refusal is not risky. It's just that the purchaser agrees that if (s)he wants to sell the horse, (s)he has to approach the previous owner first and offer them the horse for the same price that they could get from someone else. If the previous owner doesn't want to or can't buy the horse back, PO simply refuses and the purchaser is now free to go to the next buyer. The purchaser may NOT ask for more money from the PO than they could reasonably expect from someone else at arm's length. Now, that all said, I'm sure it depends a lot on the specific language in an agreement.

    Nice to see you at home CDT!!! Hope all is well.
    legally though, you don't have a foot to stand on if the horse gets sold to another owner first. Its a good idea, in theory, but has no practical application unless the new owner actually chooses to honor it, because from a judicial stand point, they wouldn't revoke ownership of the new owners simply because the old owners didn't contact you first. Its considered a no-win lawsuit.

    What you might want to consider is a lease to buy option. Find someone to ride him, and offer them a lease to buy, where, say, every $200 out of $300 they pay a month can go to his purchase price. They get to know the horse, you get to know the owners, and at the end of it, denny hopefully gets a good home with a rider who knows him already.
         
        02-13-2009, 12:41 AM
      #28
    Showing
    It's going to sound bad but at the end of the day, I would give him away to someone who can handle him and further his training, sign papers that say you are no longer liable for anything that happens and move on. It sounds bad but because how green Denny is and his injury it's going to be hard to find him a home, let alone the right one without guaranteeing he won't end up in the wrong hands. The sooner he can handed over with all liability removed, the safer it would be.

    It's a big problem mainly because JDI didn't own him long enough to put the right training on him to make him an easy all around horse for kids and now with the injuries added to the equation it's even more difficult.

    Maybe keeping him longer to put that training to settle him down then giving him away when the time comes might be the best thing as he will more useful to the general population of riders that are here locally. Just my thoughts.
         
        02-13-2009, 09:31 PM
      #29
    Showing
    Well, I am going to keep him around until I seriously start looking in the summer or fall... it's still a ways away.
    His injury is looking really really good right now, and should heal up well in the next few months. I hope... haha
    Thank you so much for your replies, everyone... the lease to own is a neat idea!!
    Need food, I'll reply more later.
         
        02-13-2009, 09:35 PM
      #30
    Showing
    How dare you remove yourself from the forum to go eat? Tisk
         

    Quick Reply
    Please help keep the Horse Forum enjoyable by reporting rude posts.
    Message:
    Options

    Register Now

    In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

    Already have a Horse Forum account?
    Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

    New to the Horse Forum?
    Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

    User Name:
    Password
    Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
    Password:
    Confirm Password:
    Email Address
    Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
    Email Address:

    Log-in

    Human Verification

    In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


    Old Thread Warning
    This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

    Thread Tools

    Similar Threads
    Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
    Am I crazy, selfish, stupid?!? Please tell me! (long) mlkarel2010 Horse Training 33 07-22-2008 10:46 PM
    Selfish crazy bitch. Trolls rule sixteenbluebells Horse Training 0 07-16-2008 01:23 AM
    Selfish crazy bitch. Trolls rule sixteenbluebells Horse Training 0 07-16-2008 01:23 AM
    I'm Doomed!!! (rant, rant, rant) BluMagic Horse Talk 9 06-30-2008 03:33 PM



    All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:11 PM.


    Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
    Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
    Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0