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post #41 of 60 Old 06-08-2012, 10:41 PM
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It's a gamble .. he's worth millions now ... could have been three time that IF he won ... but he's worth NOTHING dead.

I'm sure the owners had some say in the decision. I believe it was the right one.
maybe some day they will realize that young horses 2-3 year olds with their growth plates still open just shouldn't be pushed so hard...tread mills, grueling schedules..I liken it to having a 7 year old kid training & running 3 25 mile marathons...crazy world ..but yep big business with him alive..his semen is what will bring them a lot of money...ironic that Secretariat won the triple crown..his semen was what the people invested in & his off spring have never produced a big winner ever...glad they scratched him (protecting his semen sales or not) it def would have been horrible to see another horse put down on the track with a bad fracture!

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post #42 of 60 Old 06-08-2012, 11:02 PM
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...ironic that Secretariat won the triple crown..his semen was what the people invested in & his off spring have never produced a big winner ever...
Although Secretariat never produced a horse as great as him, he's had plenty of good foals including Horse of the Year Lady's Secret, Preakness and Belmont winner Risen star, and has been one of the top broodmare sires in the world, his daughters producing horses such as Horse of the Year AP Indy.

But I agree on the rest of your post, there are so many things wrong with the racing world, so many reasons why might never see another Triple Crown winner again. Very sad.
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Although Secretariat never produced a horse as great as him, he's had plenty of good foals including Horse of the Year Lady's Secret, Preakness and Belmont winner Risen star, and has been one of the top broodmare sires in the world, his daughters producing horses such as Horse of the Year AP Indy.

But I agree on the rest of your post, there are so many things wrong with the racing world, so many reasons why might never see another Triple Crown winner again. Very sad.
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I really dislike Doug O'Neil and have for quite a while now. More than the repeated drug violations (because let's face it, you'd be hard pressed to find any top race trainers without at least one drug violation), I have a real problem with the fact that the breakdown rate of horses trained by him is TWICE the national average. There's something very wrong there, in my opinion. He's been under a lot of scrutiny these past 5 weeks, so I believe he had no choice but to scratch IHA. I have a feeling though, if this weren't a triple crown horse we were talking about, the horse would still be running.

I do find it pretty messed up that a trainer can be facing suspension in one state, but they can just cross state lines and continue to race elsewhere.

In my opinion, Doug O'Neil represent everything that is wrong with the racing world. I am very glad he won't have a chance at the Triple Crown this year.

Not that I though IHA was going to pull it off anyway. As soon as I watched Dullahan barreling down the stretch, like a freight train, in the Derby, I knew he was my pick for the Belmont.

I'm just disappointed that I won't get to see Doug O'Neil's face when he lost.
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I do hate it that the horse won't have a chance to prove whether or not he really had it, but I truthfully wasn't expecting a triple crown sweep this year anyway.

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I really dislike Doug O'Neil and have for quite a while now. More than the repeated drug violations (because let's face it, you'd be hard pressed to find any top race trainers without at least one drug violation), I have a real problem with the fact that the breakdown rate of horses trained by him is TWICE the national average. There's something very wrong there, in my opinion. He's been under a lot of scrutiny these past 5 weeks, so I believe he had no choice but to scratch IHA. I have a feeling though, if this weren't a triple crown horse we were talking about, the horse would still be running.

I do find it pretty messed up that a trainer can be facing suspension in one state, but they can just cross state lines and continue to race elsewhere.

In my opinion, Doug O'Neil represent everything that is wrong with the racing world. I am very glad he won't have a chance at the Triple Crown this year.

Not that I though IHA was going to pull it off anyway. As soon as I watched Dullahan barreling down the stretch, like a freight train, in the Derby, I knew he was my pick for the Belmont.

I'm just disappointed that I won't get to see Doug O'Neil's face when he lost.
I hate to say it, but I think this was a giant Karmic bitchslap for horses like Berna Dette. I totally agree that he would have ran the horse had he not had so much media scrutiny caused by his own bad behaviour, or had this been any other race with any other horse. Hopefully he has learned a lesson here.
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So I hear now that IHA will be leading the post parade today as some sort of tribute. I actually discussed this a bit with my farrier yesterday.

Why, if he has a tendon injury, would they ride or lead him out there? I would think, if he were ridden, he might think he was racing and be all excited and prance-y and whatnot, making him susceptible to injuring himself further. Even being led, with all the excitement around him and being such an athletic and fit animal.

I don't think I would do it. Seems to be a bit over the top narcissistic on the part of the trainer/owner/whoever.

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So I hear now that IHA will be leading the post parade today as some sort of tribute. I actually discussed this a bit with my farrier yesterday.

Why, if he has a tendon injury, would they ride or lead him out there? I would think, if he were ridden, he might think he was racing and be all excited and prance-y and whatnot, making him susceptible to injuring himself further. Even being led, with all the excitement around him and being such an athletic and fit animal.

I don't think I would do it. Seems to be a bit over the top narcissistic on the part of the trainer/owner/whoever.
yeah, that's weird. If I were the owner (which CLEARLY I'm not, as my horse wouldn't even be with O'Neil for training), I would not be down for that. Seems like it would just rub the disappointment, of not being able to race today, in even further.
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I think everyone should give this a quick read, as things are as black and white as they seem. No one hates "doping" more than I. We race Standardbreds and have raced against those who do it (at county fairs the state is not always present to test, at paramutuals they are) and it is infuriating to say the least. On the other hand, however, it is frightening to be held to a guilty until proven innocent standard. O'Neill was not found guilty of anything and Pena never had a single positive. Circumstanially, they seem guilty but I would like evidence before I convict someone.

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So, now that the triple is out, who is going to win it?

I'll have to admit that Dullahan was a threat when IHA was in, and I still think he's a contender. He mowed down toward the end of the derby and had it been loner, he probably would have won. So I guess my pick is Dullahan and Union Rags being 3rd or further.

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