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    06-09-2012, 10:25 AM
  #51
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http://http://cs.thehorse.com/blogs/....aspx#comments


I think everyone should give this a quick read, as things are as black and white as they seem. No one hates "doping" more than I. We race Standardbreds and have raced against those who do it (at county fairs the state is not always present to test, at paramutuals they are) and it is infuriating to say the least. On the other hand, however, it is frightening to be held to a guilty until proven innocent standard. O'Neill was not found guilty of anything and Pena never had a single positive. Circumstanially, they seem guilty but I would like evidence before I convict someone.

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Like I said though, whether or not he is in fact guilty of 'doping', still doesn't change the FACT that he has a breakdown rate twice the national average. I don't care if he has 100 drug violations to his name or none. There's something seriously wrong, if you have a breakdown rate that high, in my opinion.
     
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    06-09-2012, 10:34 AM
  #52
Weanling
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Maybe that will work, I think it had the http twice. I agree that his breakdown average is very disturbing but I wasn't addressing that in my post
     
    06-09-2012, 12:53 PM
  #53
Foal
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Originally Posted by redpony    
http://http://cs.thehorse.com/blogs/....aspx#comments


I think everyone should give this a quick read, as things are as black and white as they seem. No one hates "doping" more than I. We race Standardbreds and have raced against those who do it (at county fairs the state is not always present to test, at paramutuals they are) and it is infuriating to say the least. On the other hand, however, it is frightening to be held to a guilty until proven innocent standard. O'Neill was not found guilty of anything and Pena never had a single positive. Circumstanially, they seem guilty but I would like evidence before I convict someone.
O'Neil was not found guilty of milkshaking, this time. He WAS found to have higher CO2 levels in his horses which was explained can occur because of getting a "bullet" which is basically a milkshake but not quite. Has NUMEROUS medication violations and is the only trainer in California with more than one CO2 overage (I believe this was his 4th overall CO2 overage....that is far more than suspicious).
     
    06-09-2012, 07:59 PM
  #54
Showing
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Originally Posted by Jake and Dai    
So I hear now that IHA will be leading the post parade today as some sort of tribute.
If that's true, that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Nothing against the horse, but what makes him so deserving of a "tribute" on the last leg of the triple crown. It's not like he's done something miraculous like come back from a catastrophic injury to take 2 out of 3.

IMHO, they are making a huge deal out of this whole thing to try to make the industry look better after all those horrible years with the injuries and breakdowns with Barbaro and Eight Bells.
     
    06-09-2012, 11:18 PM
  #55
Started
Union Rags did a great job, ... Let's be glad that IHA did not end up like Giant Ryan in another race at Belmont today. He will be having surgery for a broken ankle/sesmoid in front leg.
At least at this point, they feel Giant Ryan will be good for breeding...
     
    06-10-2012, 11:46 AM
  #56
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I was happy to see Union Rags win. What a joy for his owner and Michael Matz!

And I agree with you smrobs on the tribute thing. That's the word that was used in the article I read and I thought, while a lovely talented horse, but I don't think he deserved a 'tribute' at this stage in his career.

I think they reason they did that was so that all the attendees at the track who came for the potential Triple Crown winner at least got to see him. I only started watching the coverage at 5.00 pm and they didn't really make a big deal out of it from what I saw.
     
    06-10-2012, 11:51 AM
  #57
Trained
I know a lot of people went there just to see IHA. So I think it was nice that they incorporated him into the Belmont, even though he wasn't going to run. Did he deserve a "tribute"? No. I think not. But so many people traveled so far to see him run, and then him not running...I can see the reasoning for it.

I mean, he's not even really injured...

Anyways...I missed the race. But I watched it on youtube. Union Rags did great. Paynter did really good too. Just couldn't hold on... Union Rags was my original pick to win the Kentucky Derby and was my T.C. Hopeful.
     
    06-10-2012, 01:41 PM
  #58
Foal
He didn't have a "tribute", he had a retirement ceremony in the winners circle between races. It was absolutely fitting, he deserved it, and yes he WAS really injured.
     
    06-10-2012, 01:50 PM
  #59
Trained
HRTV said they were having a tribute to him. That was the exact word they used.

And he has the ON-SET of tendinitis. He doesn't HAVE tendinitis.

Also HRTV's words...Actually, it was the VET's words...the one that worked on him. One of the newscasters for HRTV knows the vet personally and they were able to get the vet directly on the phone to explain what was going on.

     
    06-10-2012, 02:00 PM
  #60
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
IMHO, they are making a huge deal out of this whole thing to try to make the industry look better after all those horrible years with the injuries and breakdowns with Barbaro and Eight Bells.
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