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        04-09-2012, 06:37 PM
      #11
    Trained
    My grandfather and great grandfather were pretty well respected horse trainers and traders. They eventually specialized in Appaloosas and owned some greats.
    The advice I got?
    "Get on her and ride girl." "She'll be broke when she's broke." and I learned to quit asking for help because that included him chasing me around the field with a 2X4. LOL! I never heard a story of them hurting a horse. A hurt horse cost money, which they didn't have. Most of the time they did like said, caught up the colt, hitched him up, saddled him, mounted him and rode like hell. By the end of the day that horse was broke, or else they weren't getting paid that weekend at the auction.
    My Bob taught me how to teach the first filly I raised to stand tied and get better at leading and respecting a rope. I had her started but he came over and buried an old telephone pole in my pasture. He had put a thick tire tube around it first and we tied the filly to the tube. She fought for a bit then learned that when she stepped towards the pole the pressure was released. They knew back then the same things they are teaching today. It's just more touchy feely and technical. I never had a problem with that filly being tied and she was the easiest horse I've ever trained. Of course my experience is limited, I'm no trainer.
         
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        04-09-2012, 06:38 PM
      #12
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wallee    
    I have heard similar methods. I wonder does that really work? Ever seen it done and it make a sound horse?
    I have seen it work.

    Back in the day....I had a two year old stud hores. He was just terrible, some of it was I spoiled him to death.

    Then in August that year he had been kicked out of three training centers.

    A guy from Ohio had just moved to Michigan and heard about him. But, what he heard was all of these guys saying what a shame it was because the horse moved very well.

    The trainer called me and we talked.

    I agreed to take the horse over to his center.

    I unloaded the horse.....and it was the same....he acted just terrible. (at this point I was afraid of him)

    I was shocked when the trainer saddled the horse up....and rode him.

    In 15 minutes the horse was looping on the rail.

    In less than a month the horse won the biggest two year old futurity in the USA.

    The horse went on to be a well know pleasure horse on the AQHA circuits.

    It turned out to be the safest place to be was ON the horse.
         
        04-09-2012, 06:50 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Rope, choke, snub...
         
        04-09-2012, 06:52 PM
      #14
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    Rope, choke, snub...
    Sounds a lot like when we were haltering the 2 untouched yearlings a couple years ago.... litterally choked the one down.
         
        04-09-2012, 07:00 PM
      #15
    Trained
    Very old school..but it works ^^^
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        04-09-2012, 07:07 PM
      #16
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    First of all, the OP is incorrect in the intimation that "natural horsemanship" is something new. It is not. I have been training with the REAL naturalhorsemanship for 50 years - long before the term was invented, long before commercial trainers peddling books and CD's, and long before Robert Redford whispered in a horse's ear.

    The "old school" consisted of two basic methods of training. First was what we now call cowboying horses, which was primarily done for Cavalry mounts. The second was the REAL natural horsemanship, which was pretty much what everyone else did, which was gentle and slow training. Thosee "old folks" knew horse flesh and horse training far better than any of us today.

    People watch too many movies...
         
        04-09-2012, 07:25 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    First of all, the OP is incorrect in the intimation that "natural horsemanship" is something new. It is not. I have been training with the REAL naturalhorsemanship for 50 years - long before the term was invented, long before commercial trainers peddling books and CD's, and long before Robert Redford whispered in a horse's ear.

    The "old school" consisted of two basic methods of training. First was what we now call cowboying horses, which was primarily done for Cavalry mounts. The second was the REAL natural horsemanship, which was pretty much what everyone else did, which was gentle and slow training. Thosee "old folks" knew horse flesh and horse training far better than any of us today.

    People watch too many movies...
    I'm curious, would you mind elaborating?
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        04-09-2012, 07:38 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    The cowboys I've rode with and the old (very old)timers I know trained their horses pretty much in an ordinary way. They might not have started them until they were 3, 4 or 5, but other than that it isn't anything weird.

    Halter break, train to tie and stand tied, get used to the saddle, get on with either a halter, a snaffle or a bosal. One difference is that once the horse could be saddled and knew even a smidgen of turn, go stop, the cowboy then took it out to work all day (or most of a day). They learn quick with so much opportunity.

    Because of the age and our colder climate, some may be more prone to buck on a chilly morning, but that's not a deal breaker. After a few long days, they don't waste the energy.

    Abuse a horse, then and now, and you get fired very quickly. Horses are part of the team. Why would anyone be allowed to hurt a working partner? It doesn't happen like some publications and clinicians seem to want us to believe.
         
        04-09-2012, 07:39 PM
      #19
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    I'm curious, would you mind elaborating?
    About?
         
        04-09-2012, 08:04 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    About?
    Cavalry training and the difference between nowadays natural horsemanship(besides the merchandising crap) and real natural horsemanship.
         

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