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post #1 of 19 Old 05-06-2008, 01:36 PM Thread Starter
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OMG how DARE she!!!

Since the barn owner had an operation the girls have been going up every night to make sure the horses are fed and given water (the guy who is suppposed to be doing that sort of thing usually forgets or just doesn't bother coming). Well one of the girls, whom, though is a decent rider but doesn't know when to get off of a horse (she over works the horse she rides for lessons) went up on Tuesday night to check on them. She said they didn't have too much hay so she gave them a little more.

When I asked her how was Sonny she said he was good, but when she threw his hay in his pasture that Sonny bit her...she also said that because he bit her, she hit him...making him "gallop" around his pasture (I doubt he was galloping...nor even cantering....he couldn't in his's wayyy too small).

The thing I'm upset about is her hitting MY horse. Okay it's one thing to do it to the horse she is leasing...but to MY horse. I'm going to talk to her again about it (asking if he really did bite her and what she actually did) and if she admits again that she hit Sonny I'm going to take the matter up with the barn owner and put the rule down that she can't even touch him.
I'm just soooo upset at the moment...I don't know if any of you remember this, but I posted a long time ago about Sonny having REALLY bad trust issues, in his pasture, and just all together...I'm thinking that it was that girl that was causing it. At first I thought it was the BO, but I knew my BO wouldn't do that..but Sonny was always afraid of my BO....well the girl is heavy set (like the BO used to be ....the BO lost LOTS of weight before surgery so she looks ALOT better) and the BO used to be...and now, since the BO has lost weight Sonny isn't as afraid of her as he used to be.

I'm waiting for her to come on-line (on AIM) that way I actually have a COPY of what she says as proof to the BO...the BO would believe me anyways but it will be further more proof if I have to enforce that she isn't allowed to touch Sonny...and I'd let her parents know too what she did and that she wasn't allowed to touch Sonny...I'll just tell her that if Sonny needs to be fed...either get one of the other girls out there to do it or call me and I'll come out and feed him

Anyone think I'm over reacting?
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post #2 of 19 Old 05-06-2008, 01:49 PM
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OMG, I would not stand for that at all! She should have spoken with you first about his "biting" issue, and had you address it. No matter who you are, she does not have the right to hit anybody else's horses! That's the owners responsibility. If she doesn't feel comfortable around your horse, she should not be feeding. I would definitely take this up with your barn owner as soon as she's better and have her deal with her, but I would talk to this girl and just explain that you would rather not have her around your horse and you will feed him until the barn owner is better (if you can, if not maybe ask someone else to feed in place of that girl).

Sorry to hear about this! Let me know how it turns out...
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When a horse attempts to bite or kick you need to respond IMMEDIATELY. There is no time to go call the owner and inform them of the situation and see what they want done...then go back and deal with the horse or wait for the horse to do it again for you to deal with it. You wll have given the horse the impression that he is in charge and that you will give in to his dominant behavior.

Smacking a horse for a bite is an acceptible response so long as it's immediate. If you were a lead mare and another horse tried to bite you, you would immediately retaliate with a bite or a kick. The horse understands this exchange means that the lead mare won't be pushed around and will back up her opinion that his action was wrong. A human isn't going to bite and a smack isn't going to be nearly as hard as a kick from another horse.

I wouldn't have a problem with anyone smacking my horse for aggressive behavior. Better deal with it immediately then let the horse get the idea that you won't stand up for yourself which will cause the bad behavior to escalate because if you aren't going to be leader (or higher up in the herd order) then maybe he ought to work his way up a bit by pushing you down in the standing.

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but would a horse that has never bit anyone or any horse all of a sudden bite someone?

When I go to feed him, he'll actually back up a bit and give you room to throw the hay over...he doesn't stick his head out to steal any while you are attempting to throw it over.
He does the same for the BO, myself, my mom, and the 3 other girls that have fed why would he all of a sudden go and bite this one girl?

I mean, I do believe that she hit him, because when I came the next day he wouldn't let me touch him...and he wouldn't come close to me...I had to literally sit on the ground and wait for him to come to me. He's that sensitive to things.
But it just seems odd to me that he'd bite her...she's never been that friendly (if that's the word to use) to Sonny. Sonny, I've noticed, tends to approach her slowly...for example if I'm walking right next to her up the hill leading Sonny, Sonny will NOT walk next to me if Im next to her...he'll trail further behind.
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I asked her about it just now and NOW she is saying that she did not hit him and that Sonny did not bite her arm, but something on her arm....

okay then question...if a horse went up and bit someone would they start "running around the pasture" afterwards for no reason?
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I'd actually thank her. I would appreciate any reprimand for that kind of behavior of my horse. :) The other night I was in sick and so my best friend, and the one who I usually work with was feeding my two mares for me. One of them is the one who gets pushed around, so the other came over to steal the food and my friend shooed her away. Well, my mare decided that was really uncalled for and whirled around and nearly smashed in her face. So my friend threw the bucket at her to get her out of there. I appreciated that my friend did something about it. Horses can be really dangerous, and like Ryle said, the response needs to be immediate.
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That's horrible; of course you're not over-reacting! She has no right to hit your horse.
Wow, why would she change the story up now, saying she didn't hit him? Weird...I definitely wouldn't let her touch Sonny again.

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Originally Posted by PoptartShop
That's horrible; of course you're not over-reacting! She has no right to hit your horse.
Wow, why would she change the story up now, saying she didn't hit him? Weird...I definitely wouldn't let her touch Sonny again.
Ryle and Koomy: I don't mind her giving a pop on the nose for him biting (if he actually did) but what ever she did to him it made him think I was going to hurt him the next day. That's the part that I don't like.

And for the bucket thing...yes if Sonny almost kicked me and did it out of anger then yes I'd throw him or chase him away...but to me her story now seems fishy cause she can't even get her story straight
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If he really did bite her then an immediate pop on the nose would suffice. However... I don't deal well with people disciplining my animals or my child. I understand bad behavior needs to be dealt with but.... I don't deal well that... I'd be mad too...
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Horses shouldnt be let get away with that behavior. There is nothing wrong with giving a horse a smack as punishment.
And just because you have never seen him bite anyone, doesnt mean he never will. Or that he didnt. All horses nip, its a natural part of herd behavior. Also, if a dominant horse is nipped, it will retaliate. Humans play the role of a dominant horse. If we didnt, they wouldnt respect us, and we would have no control over there actions at all.
So yer, unless there is more to this than what you've told us, I think you may be over reacting a little, and that this girl did you a favor.
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