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post #1 of 7 Old 02-15-2014, 08:51 PM Thread Starter
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Out of registered stock but can't be registered?

I have bought a 8 month old colt that the breeder told me was out of registered stock but that he couldn't be registered. I don't really care about him being registered but found this curious. It states this in the ad and I called bs on that but really liked him. I met them at a local livestock auction so did not see the parents. Is there a reason he couldn't be registered if both parents are registered? From what I understand if one is registered and one is not then the offspring can't be registered but if both parents are registered then the offspring can. I'm just curious about this and I know I should of asked but after seeing his condition I just wanted to get him outta there!
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There are SOME situations when a foal out of registered stock cannot be registered. I have a friend with a foal out of two registered parents but different registrations. Also some colors used to be kicked out of registries. Or maybe a breeding report wasn't submitted when the mare was born and submitted one late was WAAAY too expensive for what the owner to choose to do
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In most cases I think it comes down to laziness, doesn't seem it would be that difficult to submit a breeders report, they don't have to register them, but they could atleast leave it up to the new owner.

I have a young gelding here now, bought him and his half brother (as weanlings), both out of registered AQHA stock, I was told they were the last foals from this breeder (and they didn't think the mares had settled), so they didn't bother with the paperwork. I got them from a guy that had bought them (and knew the breeders well) in a packaged deal (they had one horse he wanted, but he had to take the group to get it), I saw the other horses they'd got with them, all related to them (included a maternal half sister to one of them) all registered, and do believe I was being told the truth.

I've had one other, got him as an adult from his original breeder, I did get reg. names of both parents, he was a cremello and possibly born before AQHA changed their rules. He still could have been APHA, but the breeder may not have known that, and him being a gelding may not have bothered (I didn't ask why, just assuming).
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In most cases I think it comes down to laziness, doesn't seem it would be that difficult to submit a breeders report, they don't have to register them, but they could atleast leave it up to the new owner.

I have a young gelding here now, bought him and his half brother (as weanlings), both out of registered AQHA stock, I was told they were the last foals from this breeder (and they didn't think the mares had settled), so they didn't bother with the paperwork. I got them from a guy that had bought them (and knew the breeders well) in a packaged deal (they had one horse he wanted, but he had to take the group to get it), I saw the other horses they'd got with them, all related to them (included a maternal half sister to one of them) all registered, and do believe I was being told the truth.

I've had one other, got him as an adult from his original breeder, I did get reg. names of both parents, he was a cremello and possibly born before AQHA changed their rules. He still could have been APHA, but the breeder may not have known that, and him being a gelding may not have bothered (I didn't ask why, just assuming).
Totally unrelated but I had totally forgotten that at one point double dilutes could not be registered.

The only reason that (At least with AQHA) a horse out of registered stock absolutely can't be registered is if one parent passed away and there was no DNA on file.
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I have bought a 8 month old colt that the breeder told me was out of registered stock but that he couldn't be registered. I don't really care about him being registered but found this curious. It states this in the ad and I called bs on that but really liked him.
Besides the answers that have already been posted, keep in mind that horse sellers, as a general group, are notorious liars (to be blunt), e.g. being out of registered stock. I don't know any professional breeder that just skips filing all the necessary paperwork, even for colts that they plan on gelding. If you do everything on time, it really doesn't cost much at all to have all the papers in order.

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What breed is this foal?

When I bred my mare (APHA) to a (AQHA) stallion...The stallion was not "listed" with the APHA registry. So I had to get lots of signatures and fill out a bunch of paperwork to get the stallion listed, just to get my foal registered.

also...could be out of laziness of the breeder. Which is irresponsible imo. If you have a purebred that can be registered...Register it!

or... You got lied to.
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He is a quarter horse. Going off his condition when I got him they are backyard breeders. He is not halter broke or even socialized with people. He didn't know what grain is and was skinny. He has show no interest in the hay I have put out and acts like he has no idea what it is! In the add they said he was Oklahoma star and bert bred. No idea who they are but I figure its way back in his lines. The ad was a typical backyard breeder ad.
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